Originally posted by phil3000Lol, thats something else, i once had a Hindu friend, his mother insisted on wearing a gagra choli (a garment which displays the navel), problem was that she had a huge belly, when she came in to the room, it was like quivering from side to side, if you watched it, you had to be careful not to get seasick from all the waves!
Some of the western girls i have seen coming out of the pub on a saturday night ,belly dancing wouldn't be a pretty site . There would be kebabs and pizza flying at a dangerous speed through the air !!! Take your eye out man !!😉
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's kinda sweet really that you like the way she sings. I have wondered who buys those magazines becasue no one I know has the time to read them, but they don't seam to go out of business, always in print and on the shelves. Of cause also on the shelves are those other magazines, like nuts that maybe you read- being western?
Eastern girls give you a bath and a gentle massage, sing lilting songs, recite poetry and them make you a sumptuous feast. Western girls flick through glossy magazines with expensive things in them, and make to do lists, and expect you do something other than play chess in the house! West maybe the best, but East is proverbial in its hospitality!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo. Taking care of those you love is completely natural and we all do it - with love.
why should i , i think its wonderful the way she treats me as she does. indeed , all attempts to describe it as, waiting upon, a maid, demeaning her personality etc really belie my point, in that there is definitely a cultural difference which you people perceive as being derogatory and which is far from the truth. She loves looking after me in the way she does.
What I object to is your generalization on both sides that in my view, is chauvinist. You can appreciate your wife, the advantages of her taking good care of you, etc, without bashing women from the west or saying that people who get divorced are just looking for an easy way out. I am but one example of a woman who can balance her own desires and needs with the desires and needs of her loved ones. There is nothing negative about that.
Your attitude about divorce is off the mark. There IS a stigma with divorce and even with the most civil of cases, divorce is a painful loss and a difficult adustment. Y
Your attitude belittles so many people. I guess I have a problem with that.
Originally posted by yo its mesowwy, why torture yourself looking at women you'll never make love to. Its like licking the sweet shop window. There has been arguments put forth that porn actually benefits women (strangely enough from those who make money from the porn industry, not the women themselves), on the other hand i perceive a sinister side, indeed, the number of young women who have committed suicide because of low self esteem and other factors is horrendous. Selling fantasies is big business, perhaps there are lots of lonely men out there.
That's kinda sweet really that you like the way she sings. I have wondered who buys those magazines becasue no one I know has the time to read them, but they don't seam to go out of business, always in print and on the shelves. Of cause also on the shelves are those other magazines, like nuts that maybe you read- being western?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePeople who move to a different country do not leave their culture behind. That is naive to say so and I'm sure you know better.
whether you think its untrue or otherwise, the figures speak for themselves, 50/50! As i have pointed out, you cannot make the claim simply on the basis that there is no stigmatisation to a divorce, for even among Indian couple that i know, who are free to divorce in the west, i cannot think of one divorce leading me, however unpleasant, to the conclusion, that it is culturally significant!
You keep throwing the 50% figure out there like it will shock us all into some realization. The cultural difference is plain to see and I can honestly say that the culture for women in India is stifling, oppressive and violent in all too many cases. Do you think that western women will stand up and say "I want to live like the women of India"?
Does a slave move to run away from his master? He knows the consequence and so he does not. Does a slave take care of his master and act cordial at all times? Absolutely, the master provides shelter and food. Why would anyone want to live like that?
Originally posted by mlpriorYour kept, well fed, roof over you head...It don't all sound bad. 😉
People who move to a different country do not leave their culture behind. That is naive to say so and I'm sure you know better.
You keep throwing the 50% figure out there like it will shock us all into some realization. The cultural difference is plain to see and I can honestly say that the culture for women in India is stifling, oppressive and violent ...[text shortened]... Absolutely, the master provides shelter and food. Why would anyone want to live like that?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOh so you're not a sterotype? Humm 🙂
sowwy, why torture yourself looking at women you'll never make love to. Its like licking the sweet shop window. There has been arguments put forth that porn actually benefits women (strangely enough from those who make money from the porn industry, not the women themselves), on the other hand i perceive a sinister side, indeed, the number of young ...[text shortened]... horrendous. Selling fantasies is big business, perhaps there are lots of lonely men out there.
Originally posted by SunburntNow you are getting personal, that's fine, i dont mind, never the less, when you are talking in such broad terms, generalisation is unavoidable. I am not saying that women and men do not care for each other in the west, or that they are less committed to each other, many are, but many are not! Indeed, its even within my own generation i can see a difference, for there are far more young people i know who are divorced than older ones. How do you explain a 50/50 chance, in terms of equality? in terms of social emancipation? as Plankna has asserted? I say that there is a culturally significant factor, are you denying this is the case? Also i resent that you have tried to assert that i have diminished the pain, loss and suffering simply because i think there is a culture of expediency, are you saying that it has no bearing? what about such terms as the 'quickie', divorce?
No. Taking care of those you love is completely natural and we all do it - with love.
What I object to is your generalization on both sides that in my view, is chauvinist. You can appreciate your wife, the advantages of her taking good care of you, etc, without bashing women from the west or saying that people who get divorced are just looking for an ea ...[text shortened]... ult adustment. Y
Your attitude belittles so many people. I guess I have a problem with that.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are such an idiot....on so many levels.
Now you are getting personal, that's fine, i dont mind, never the less, when you are talking in such broad terms, generalisation is unavoidable. I am not saying that women and men do not care for each other in the west, or that they are less committed to each other, many are, but many are not! Indeed, its even within my own generation i can see a d ...[text shortened]... ncy, are you saying that it has no bearing? what about such terms as the 'quickie', divorce?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe reality of a quickie divorce is indeed a sad thing.
Now you are getting personal, that's fine, i dont mind, never the less, when you are talking in such broad terms, generalisation is unavoidable. I am not saying that women and men do not care for each other in the west, or that they are less committed to each other, many are, but many are not! Indeed, its even within my own generation i can see a d ...[text shortened]... ncy, are you saying that it has no bearing? what about such terms as the 'quickie', divorce?
I think divorce is a reality because so many people marry far too young and with expectations born out of fantasy.
Culture is a factor, yes, but let's be accurate regarding social class and stigma being the barrier to independence for women all over the world.
The fact is, you made generalized, offensive remarks about women in your first post that live in the west and you have implied that we don't know how to care for our men. Wrong. Neither woman should be a stereotype and that's all I'm saying to you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieGenuine question here, I'm not being argumentitive.
stereotype? everyone carries something of their upbringing and culture i suppose and we learn through experience to accept or reject aspects which we find objectionable.
If you and your wife have children, you'll be raising them in a mixed culture (agreed?) and they will learn how to treat their future spouse by your exmples. If your daughter wants to have a career and nice things before, if she marries, will you discourage her?
Originally posted by SunburntWas Man & Woman really meant to be together all their life?
The reality of a quickie divorce is indeed a sad thing.
I think divorce is a reality because so many people marry far too young and with expectations born out of fantasy.
Culture is a factor, yes, but let's be accurate regarding social class and stigma being the barrier to independence for women all over the world.
The fact is, you made generalize ...[text shortened]... e for our men. Wrong. Neither woman should be a stereotype and that's all I'm saying to you.
Monogamy seems to be a thing of the past.