Originally posted by phil3000Is Beckham a top club footballer?- YES
Beckham sums up all thats wrong with English attitudes to international football ,he was never a great player ,good at the dead ball and crossing i will give you that .
What did England ever achieve with Beckham ? a few quarter finals . he was more about selling merchandice than any thing else . Lets compere him with a great player paul Gascoine , we mana ...[text shortened]... secound rate all through the game couldn't string three passes together ,shocking !!!
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Is he a decent internation Footballer- YES
Is he world class?- NEVER
He has a fantastic PR team behind him which has made him a 'brand'- thats all he is.
For example- the recent news of him not making it into the GB team. Where did it first come out? You guessed it- the Beckham PR machine leaked it to the press long before the official news from the GB team
Originally posted by spurs73Well said ! thumbs up from me .
Is Beckham a top club footballer?- YES
Is he a decent internation Footballer- YES
Is he world class?- NEVER
He has a fantastic PR team behind him which has made him a 'brand'- thats all he is.
For example- the recent news of him not making it into the GB team. Where did it first come out? You guessed it- the Beckham PR machine leaked it to the press long before the official news from the GB team
Originally posted by scacchipazzoEngland just doesn't have the quality to play an offensive game: no descent forwards, midfield only Gerrard, defense throw-me-in-front-of-no-matter-what-Terry, and that's about it I suppose at the moment. And this has been a much better performance than 2 yrs ago!
Of course England would have given Germany a run for their money. However, not with the timid Hodgson plan of staying back. Italy showed everyone how to play these much vaunted teams. I really think it might have been quite different for England had Lampard and Cahill not been injured. Same as Spain shows how much they miss David Villa. Spain simply has ...[text shortened]... t deal of calm and lots of freedom for Gerrard to weave his game onto the tapestry of the pitch.
At club level all these English 'stars' are surrounded by much better foreigners, so they appear to be brilliant, but they aren't. Many times they are outnumbered for the same reason. All succesfull clubcoaches are foreigners (Ferguson is a foreigner right?). Not a single Spanish, Italian, German club is willing to pay absurd prices like 20 million for a guy like Caroll. Not a single English manager is wanted abroad.
That's called a crisis and this has been the case for ages and still nothing has happened to fill the gap, except more money.
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Originally posted by FMFYou must remember that pazzo is looking at this from a USAnian fanatic's perspective. They don't understand such subtleties as "won by 2 goals but weren't massively better" or "attack and defence almost, but not quite, in balance". To leftpondians, if it's a defeat, it's automatically an ignominous defeat; there is either a glorious victory, a boring draw, or a "whooping". The idea of, for example, an exciting draw, or a dynamic balance, or an honourable defeat, simply cannot enter their minds.
Well I don't agree.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieDon't be such a rabid SNP hypocrite. You know full well that the Scots and Ulstronians sabotaged the Olympic GB team from the start. It's your own fault there's now none of your lot in it - you didn't want them to, so stop whining that you got what you quite literally asked for.
No Scots or Irish in team GB, another sham and proof of marginalisation, team EB strikes again.
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Originally posted by Shallow BlueTrue- i was being kind!
Not even that. He was a top club footballer, but he hasn't been for years. He is now quite like his missus: well past his prime.
Richard
I blame the media brain washing and the gullible england fans who love reading the Tabloid newspapers which have made Beckham such a star and put him in a position where you cannt say anything about him without being told that you are a hater.
Its the same with Harry Rednapp- I mean one trophy in 25 years as a manger and they wanted him to be the the next england manager!🙄🙄
Originally posted by Shallow Blueau contraire, i am not a Scottish nationalist, have you forgotten that i am a-political,
Don't be such a rabid SNP hypocrite. You know full well that the Scots and Ulstronians sabotaged the Olympic GB team from the start. It's your own fault there's now none of your lot in it - you didn't want them to, so stop whining that you got what you quite literally asked for.
Richard
and just for the record it cannot be team GB if there are only players from one
province, can it, you are always cracking up how you are called Holland, which is a
province of the Netherlands, so suck it up fatboy, you cannot complain when we point
out marginalisation.
Originally posted by spurs73Harry is in the business of entertainment, you want to watch paint dry and have
True- i was being kind!
I blame the media brain washing and the gullible england fans who love reading the Tabloid newspapers which have made Beckham such a star and put him in a position where you cannt say anything about him without being told that you are a hater.
Its the same with Harry Rednapp- I mean one trophy in 25 years as a manger and they wanted him to be the the next england manager!🙄🙄
trophies, watch chealski, you want to be entertained, you go to Tottenham, mate!
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Originally posted by SakePerhaps you're right and one can only dream, yet had it been for the missing pieces alluded to I still think it was anyone's tournament. Seeing what Italy did to Germany and how England held off Italy one can only think a tweak here or there might get England over the brink and getting places.
England just doesn't have the quality to play an offensive game: no descent forwards, midfield only Gerrard, defense throw-me-in-front-of-no-matter-what-Terry, and that's about it I suppose at the moment. And this has been a much better performance than 2 yrs ago!
At club level all these English 'stars' are surrounded by much better foreigners, so they appear been the case for ages and still nothing has happened to fill the gap, except more money.
Look at the Italian Serie A. They are no better than EPL, yet they seem to always get it right during world tourneys excepting last WC. I dunno. I feel like England is knocking at the door. As for their coaches I differ with you. Hodgson coached admirably in Serie A and is highly regarded in Italy.
Originally posted by Shallow BlueItaly was massively better. Germany did not smell a goal until the spurious PK granted so they would not be so humiliated! Read Der Spiegel. Germany does not consider it an honorable defeat but a true beat down. From 10 minutes onward it was all Italy. Outcome does not show what happened on the pitch. Italy could have scored three more and Balotelli narrowly missed a hat trick! After winning 15 i a row to only come near on Buffon mistakes and a set piece is quite a beat down of trournament favorite Germany. You and I seem to not have watched the same game. Der Spiegel and I saw a whooping!
You must remember that pazzo is looking at this from a USAnian fanatic's perspective. They don't understand such subtleties as "won by 2 goals but weren't massively better" or "attack and defence almost, but not quite, in balance". To leftpondians, if it's a defeat, it's automatically an ignominous defeat; there is either a glorious victory, a boring dr ...[text shortened]... dynamic balance, or an honourable defeat, simply cannot enter their minds.
Richard