"Superstitious religious nuts have persecuted black cats as they did Freethinkers, as heretics
The analogy is clear."
(by royalchicken)
this got me thinking-i know stop genius, before you hurt yourself!, but think i did. do the freethinkers dismiss religion completly? because, surely, if they were freethinkers, then they wouldn't-as this emplies that they consider everything. thinking freely. or do they mean freely as in outwith the bounds of religion? because, surely, they cannot dismiss something that means so much to a majority of the world?
Originally posted by geniusWe have considered religion* and have found it to be lacking. There have been many ideas that have been dear to people throughout history that have ended up being discarded.
"Superstitious religious nuts have persecuted black cats as they did Freethinkers, as heretics
The analogy is clear."
(by royalchicken)
this got me thinking-i know stop genius, before you hurt yourself!, but think i did. do the freethinkers dismiss religion completly? because, surely, if they [b]were freethinkers, then they wouldn't-as this em ...[text shortened]... n? because, surely, they cannot dismiss something that means so much to a majority of the world?[/b]
*Of course, one would have to consider exactly what you mean by "religion". Are you referring to christianity, or are you referring to ALL religions? But it doesn't really matter in the long run. All religions are subject to the same burden of proof. If they cannot provide some rational basis for their claims, then they cannot be believed.
Originally posted by rwingettAlternatively, you could say the burden of proof lies on the non-believer, and believe all possible religions simultaneously 🙄
We have considered religion* and have found it to be lacking. There have been many ideas that have been dear to people throughout history that have ended up being discarded.
*Of course, one would have to consider exactly what you mean by "religion". Are you referring to christianity, or are you referring to ALL religions? But it doesn't really matt ...[text shortened]... roof. If they cannot provide some rational basis for their claims, then they cannot be believed.
The FreeThinker’s don't know what a free thinker really is.
rwingett told me free thinkers are atheists that shun religious dogma... yet I am a free thinking Pagan.
This says nothing about being an athiest.
Freethinker: One that forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma.
The clan should really be called “The Free Thinking Atheists” … since they seem to have a bigger problem with religion, than they do with the dogma.
Phla- (a real freethinker)
Originally posted by AcolyteBut many religions are mutually exclusive. Belief in one necessitates the disbelief in all others. Polytheism will only get you so far.
Alternatively, you could say the burden of proof lies on the non-believer, and believe all possible religions simultaneously 🙄
Originally posted by PhlabibitI deny ever having said such a thing. "Freethinker" is a blanket term that encompasses many different outlooks, atheism is but one of them. An agnostic theist would also be a freethinker.
[b]The FreeThinker’s don't know what a free thinker really is.
rwingett told me free thinkers are atheists that shun religious dogma...
Originally posted by rwingettEh, hem. Here is what YOU wrote word for word.
I deny ever having said such a thing. "Freethinker" is a blanket term that encompasses many different outlooks, atheism is but one of them. An agnostic theist would also be a freethinker.
freethinker n: one that forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; esp: one who doubts or denies religious dogma [b]syn see [i]atheist
Originally posted by PhlabibitYes, that is a definition that I quoted from the dictionary. Perhaps you are confused by the word "synonymous", which means that the two things are very similar but not exactly the same. All atheists are freethinkers, but not all freethinkers are atheists. I have said that one more than one occaison too, but I see you have chosen not to quote me on that.
Eh, hem. Here is what YOU wrote word for word.
freethinker n: one that forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; esp: one who doubts or denies religious dogma [b]syn see [i]atheist
Originally posted by rwingettSorry rwingett, I know you said that also and I did not put it down.
Yes, that is a definition that I quoted from the dictionary. Perhaps you are confused by the word "synonymous", which means that the two things are very similar but not exactly the same. All atheists are freethinkers, but not all freethi ...[text shortened]... e occaison too, but I see you have chosen not to quote me on that.
Just kind of hard to find a thread of yours that does not use the word atheist... I don't think it is a very good synonym…. And I think it is still a strict requirement of your clan to be one.
EDIT Weather you intended it or not.
Phla-
Originally posted by PhlabibitNot at all. You only hear from the most vocal of us on this topic most of the time, which may give you that impression. I cannot say exactly where many of our members stand on the issue, although I'm fairly certain we are not harboring any closet theists.
Sorry rwingett, I know you said that also and I did not put it down.
Just kind of hard to find a thread of yours that does not use the word atheist... I don't think it is a very good synonym…. And I think it is still a strict requirement of your clan to be one.
Phla-
"all atheists are frethinkers"
you forget those atheists that don't think 😛
and you are not freethinking if you find religion to be lacking! you are binding yourselves with the bounds of "reality". could god, all powerful being that he is, not have created the universe to look x years old, and the earth to look y years old etc? freethinkers? i think not!...😛
Originally posted by geniusGenius, you are confusing religion versus a belief in God. Freethinkers can believe in God but they do not believe in any revealed religion.
"all atheists are frethinkers"
you forget those atheists that don't think 😛
and you are not freethinking if you find religion to be lacking! you are binding yourselves with the bounds of "reality". could god, all powerful being that he is, not have created the universe to look x years old, and the earth to look y years old etc? freethinkers? i think not!...😛
Amici Sumus
Feivel the HardcoreFreethinker
Originally posted by Feivel
Genius, you are confusing religion versus a belief in God. Freethinkers can believe in God but they do not believe in any revealed religion.
Amici Sumus
Feivel the HardcoreFreethinker
Why is the field of revealed religion forbidden territory for freethinkers ?
Joe