girls wearing makeup

Originally posted by Suzianne
"A lot of makeup" is pretty subjective. I don't use "a lot" of makeup now. Even so, if I was in a position like you describe, I would probably make an effort to tone it down even more.

But I wear enough makeup to make myself more attractive, even though I'm not ugly by any stretch. I'm 29, so by now, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesn ...[text shortened]... "like him a whole lot" for very long. It's a pretty horrible character trait.

i not talking about "controlling" anyone, would ever want to do that. you said before about wanting to look your best when going out - is that for yourself or a thought that guys will think i look good like this? - or maybe a bit of both?

Originally posted by mochiron
well Spoken Suzianne. I think you put it well condidering the male heavy site that RHP/TFC is

I agree, but (maybe) for different reasons.

Being a male predominant site, women stand out and therefore stick out as targets for internet trolls.

So I think that it's not about the fact that there are many men, it's about that women stand out. I'd imagine that perceived attacks are in higher proportion than the number of men that share such sentiments.

Also, don't forget that some people (like me, maybe) are bundled up with them since in the end it's not always obvious to separate people confronting ideas with people simply confronting for the fun(?)of it (i.e. trolls).

Edit: Trolls are usually jealous of other people getting attention, this is also included in what I mean by 'standing out'

Originally posted by Suzianne
"A lot of makeup" is pretty subjective. I don't use "a lot" of makeup now. Even so, if I was in a position like you describe, I would probably make an effort to tone it down even more.

But I wear enough makeup to make myself more attractive, even though I'm not ugly by any stretch. I'm 29, so by now, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesn ...[text shortened]... "like him a whole lot" for very long. It's a pretty horrible character trait.

Why would you "humour him"? You are who you are and shouldn't that be the most important aspect of you? Do you want to change for someone else? That to me smacks of underconfidence.People need learn to accept people for who they are not what they look like. This,I know sounds pie- in- the- sky but really.I am who I am and if it's not what you want sorry move on. You should never try to change who you arefor anyone because in the end you'll grow to resent the other person. It's just a matter of time. Whew that felt good.😛

Originally posted by trevor33
i not talking about "controlling" anyone, would ever want to do that. you said before about wanting to look your best when going out - is that for yourself or a thought that guys will think i look good like this? - or maybe a bit of both?

Well, both, of course... 😉

Originally posted by Great Big Stees
Why would you "humour him"? You are who you are and shouldn't that be the most important aspect of you? Do you want to change for someone else? That to me smacks of underconfidence.People need learn to accept people for who they are not what they look like. This,I know sounds pie- in- the- sky but really.I am who I am and if it's not what you want so ...[text shortened]... you'll grow to resent the other person. It's just a matter of time. Whew that felt good.😛

Why would I "humor him"? The way the question was stated, we "liked each other a lot" and this would be someone I would be going out with. Part of life with a partner is that you do things to please them too, not just yourself. It's about compromise. Admittedly, women get wrapped up in this a lot more than guys. If I was married (and thank god I'm not), I would probably attempt more to please him than I would if we were just dating. Did you read the rest of my post about dumping him if he tried to control me? I think it's arrogant to say "This is me, if you don't like it, F off...". I'd make the effort to please him by wearing less makeup, sure, why not? It doesn't hurt me to try to please him. But if he was a true controller, this probably wouldn't be enough (I mean, yeah, I want to look presentable, and some occasions call for more makeup than others, and then he'd have to respect that as a way of pleasing *me*... it works both ways), and then he'd have to make the decision of backing off or losing me.

Originally posted by 7ate9
you surf well

Huh?

Originally posted by Palynka
Also, don't forget that some people (like me, maybe) are bundled up with them since in the end it's not always obvious to separate people confronting ideas with people simply confronting for the fun(?)of it (i.e. trolls).

And then there are always the ones who have to be right, no matter what. Confronting ideas is one thing. Insisting you are right (and continuing to pound your point home until they get tired of arguing) all the time is another.

But those people are easy to deal with. You just stop talking to them.

Originally posted by Suzianne
And then there are always the ones who have to be right, no matter what. Confronting ideas is one thing. Insisting you are right (and continuing to pound your point home until they get tired of arguing) all the time is another.

But those people are easy to deal with. You just stop talking to them.

If you don't convince me, I won't agree with you to humour you, so if the subject interests me, I'll continue to argue.

What's wrong with that?

Originally posted by 7ate9
it's like you just surfed a wave. i wish more people did that, well with good stuff to offer. you know what your talking about and you said it well. it was a compliment.

Hmmm, okay, thanks!

(I'm just not familiar with that usage of "surf"... thanks for enlightening me 🙂 )

Originally posted by Suzianne
Why would I "humor him"? The way the question was stated, we "liked each other a lot" and this would be someone I would be going out with. Part of life with a partner is that you do things to please them too, not just yourself. It's about compromise. Admittedly, women get wrapped up in this a lot more than guys. If I was married (and thank god I'm not) ...[text shortened]... ave to make the decision of backing off or losing me.I guess my point was that if

Point taken.

Originally posted by Palynka
If you don't convince me, I won't agree with you to humour you, so if the subject interests me, I'll continue to argue.

What's wrong with that?

Well, I can't convince a brick wall, either... after a while, I refuse to worry about it.

If I can't convince you, there is no point in further argument because either you are dense as brick, or my education skills are lacking. Either way, it's not very productive to continue beating the dead horse.

You gotta know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Well, I can't convince a brick wall, either... after a while, I refuse to worry about it.

If I can't convince you, there is no point in further argument because either you are dense as brick, or my education skills are lacking. Either way, it's not very productive to continue beating the dead horse.

You gotta know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em. Simple as that.

I doubt your education skills are lacking, but when you implied I had a doorknob for a brain in the other thread, surely you must expect me to answer.

I'm not just about 'winning' arguments but when I'm attacked I fight back (and note I did it with arguments along with the sarcasm). If it still bothers you, you're certainly free to ignore me if you so wish.

I surely won't lose much sleep over it, but I think it's still unfair and I would prefer it to be otherwise. No kidding.

Originally posted by Palynka
I doubt your education skills are lacking, but when you implied I had a doorknob for a brain in the other thread, surely you must expect me to answer.

I'm not just about 'winning' arguments but when I'm attacked I fight back (and note I did it with arguments along with the sarcasm). If it still bothers you, you're certainly free to ignore me if you so wis ...[text shortened]... over it, but I think it's still unfair and I would prefer it to be otherwise. No kidding.

Ok, then we had a fundamental misunderstanding. I was not implying that *you* had doorknobs for brains, but I stated that your *teacher* (or whoever it was that taught you TINSTAAFB over TANSTAAFL) had doorknobs for brains. If you thought I meant you, then I apologize if I was unclear.

I took your initial reply about my TANSTAAFL post as an attack, which is why I continued the thread with you at all. I took it like you were saying that I was so mentally fragile that I couldn't handle anything that upset my little "world view".

Well, as regards that other thread, I'm done with it, I moved on. I haven't even been back to it after my last post. If you want to call it a draw and bury any remaining hatchets, I'm all over that. 😉

(And c'mon... if you really think about it, it was kind of a silly thing to be arguing about, hehe.)