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Originally posted by Red NightMandella was a Terrorist, and head of the ANC. Much as i agree that he was a great man, he was the figurehead of a struggle in a country in transition. What outside of South Africa did he achieve ?
Like you, I hate it when people start false rumours to besmirch the reputation of a truly great individual like Mandela.
Oh, and truth is not a matter of opinion, the ANC definitely did have a death squad masquerading as a football team - that is niether false rumour, or a besmirchment.
Originally posted by Ice Coldbrilliant...
On women, duh. 😉
i'm just a junior, but that's my senior quote
anyway...
can we define greatest?
there are different ways of being great
Hitler was great in the sense of being one of the (if not the) best public speakers of history, but few would go so far as to call that bastard a great man
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundThe white minority government had an organization called the Vlakplaas. This was a secret police organization that carried out murders and masacres against the ANC and it's leaders.
Mandella was a Terrorist, and head of the ANC. Much as i agree that he was a great man, he was the figurehead of a struggle in a country in transition. What outside of South Africa did he achieve ?
Oh, and truth is not a matter of opinion, the ANC definitely did have a death squad masquerading as a football team - that is niether false rumour, or a besmirchment.
One can hardly blame the ANC for having strong-arms of their own.
Washington had strong-arms. We called them the Continental Army.
Originally posted by Red NightOutside South Africa, what do Mandela do ? Has he helped in Sierra Leone, or Sudan, or even Zimbabwe ? He was a figure head for a localised movement, and spent 30 years in prison. I'm not saying he wasn't a great man, but there are better.
The white minority government had an organization called the Vlakplaas. This was a secret police organizatio nthat carried out murders and masacres against the ANC and it's leaders.
One can hardly blame the ANC for having strong-arms of their own.
Washington had strong-arms. We called them the Continental Army.
Originally posted by mikelomtime the f#@$ out!
Didn't you mean ' single handedly united Germany ' ??
Please don't consider Brits to be part of that world....cos we crushed him! and are proud of it until this day!!
"we brits?"
you forget, hitler was giving you all a good ass-paddling before 12/7/41 when we americans saved yourselves