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  1. Zugzwang
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    07 Mar '14 21:27
    Happy International Women's Day (March 8) to everyone!
    The UN theme for IWD 2014 is 'equality for women is progress for all'.

    IWD's an official holiday in some societies. Even in some societies where
    it's not an official holiday, it's customary for men to give flowers or other
    gifts to the significant women in their lives.

    Please feel free to share any of your memorable experiences on any IWD.
  2. Stargazing
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    08 Mar '14 06:13
    I thought sexism in the workplace was illegal.

    Besides, the only thing "customary" about this is the plethora of annual email it generates.
  3. Zugzwang
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    08 Mar '14 18:291 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    I thought sexism in the workplace was illegal.
    Besides, the only thing "customary" about this is the plethora of annual email it generates.
    International Women's Day (IWD) originated more than a century ago
    (when few women even had the right to vote anywhere). In some societies,
    IWD has changed from being an occasion of political activism to more of a
    general opportunity for men to express their appreciation, admiration, or
    affection for the women in their lives.

    Contrary to what Divegeester has ignorantly presumed, in many societies
    women do, in fact, receive gifts from the men in their lives on each IWD.

    "Let's use International Women's Day to fight violence against women"
    --Jane Martinson

    http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/08/international-womens-day-violence
  4. old pueblo
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    08 Mar '14 20:02
    Nary an email in my box. I wouldn't have known about it at all except that it was the google image that day. The closest (that I know of) that we come to a Women's Day in the US is Valentine's Day (which is Women's Day for those in a relationship) or Mother's Day (for those with children). If neither apply to you, there is no Women's Day.
  5. Zugzwang
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    08 Mar '14 20:51
    Originally posted by Sahuaro
    Nary an email in my box. I wouldn't have known about it at all except that it was the google image that day. The closest (that I know of) that we come to a Women's Day in the US is Valentine's Day (which is Women's Day for those in a relationship) or Mother's Day (for those with children). If neither apply to you, there is no Women's Day.
    "I wouldn't have known about it (2014 IWD) at all except..."
    --Sahuaro

    I am far from surprised by common American ignorance of holidays that are
    widely observed outside the United States. In 2011 US President Barack
    Obama evidently did make a statement encouraging all Americans to reflect
    upon IWD as relating to what women have contributed toward American life.

    In some societies, IWD is a holiday for men as well as women. For instance,
    reportedly the Russian Army has been giving some of its soldiers leave,
    when practicable, so they can spend time with their wives or sweethearts.
  6. old pueblo
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    08 Mar '14 21:10
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "I wouldn't have known about it (2014 IWD) at all except..."
    --Sahuaro

    I am far from surprised by common American ignorance of holidays that are
    widely observed outside the United States. In 2011 US President Barack
    Obama evidently did make a statement encouraging all Americans to reflect
    upon IWD as relating to what women have contributed towar ...[text shortened]... f its soldiers leave,
    when practicable, so they can spend time with their wives or sweethearts.
    I think most people don't celebrate holidays that aren't part of their local culture, although they know it exists somewhere on the calendar. I don't celebrate Anzac Day either, but I can tell you all about Cinco de Mayo as well as the new Cesar Chavez day, because those are locally celebrated holidays. You are not ignorant of these, of course.
  7. Zugzwang
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    08 Mar '14 21:354 edits
    Originally posted by Sahuaro
    I think most people don't celebrate holidays that aren't part of their local culture, although they know it exists somewhere on the calendar. I don't celebrate Anzac Day either, but I can tell you all about Cinco de Mayo as well as the new Cesar Chavez day, because those are locally celebrated holidays. You are not ignorant of these, of course.
    Earlier you (Sahuaro) apparently implied that you were ignorant of the
    existence of International Women's Day as a holiday in any society.

    Of course, I know that ANZAC Day (April 25) is observed in Australia
    and New Zealand in honour of its soldiers who fought in the Dardanelles
    Campaign against the Ottoman Empire during the First World War.
    Indeed, from memory I could write a brief account of that military campaign.

    And, of course, I also know that Cinco de Mayo (May 5) is celebrated by
    people of Mexican heritage (largely in the USA) in remembrance of a
    Mexican victory over the French in an 1862 battle. The French went on
    to avenge that defeat and set up the Hapsburg Archduke Maximilian as
    Emperor of Mexico, whose reign would be short-lived.

    I also know that Cesar Chavez was a major Mexican-American labor leader
    and civil rights activist, whose birthday has become an official holiday in
    a few US states (probably with large Latino communities), but I don't recall
    his birthday. I also don't remember the birthdays of many of my relatives.

    On a July 14th, I told (in passing) an American woman that it was Bastille
    Day (La Fete Nationale), which I described as France's 'national day'.
    Looking puzzled, she asked me, "Do the French have a different calendar
    from normal people (Americans)?" "No, it's the same Gregorian calendar."
    Then she said, "Then how could the French have got it so wrong?" "What
    do you mean?" She said, "Because Independence Day is the 4th of July!
    Everyone knows that! Why can't the stupid French celebrate it right?"
  8. Standard memberlemon lime
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    ignorance is bliss
  9. old pueblo
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    09 Mar '14 04:08
    No, I have heard of it over the years and know it exists. I'm ignorant of it being celebrated in any meaningful way and that its particular date was this week. It didn't exist when I was in school, so it wouldn't have been discussed in the way holidays around the world are taught. I'm also ignorant about how it would be celebrated and how widespread it is, knowing that girls are still prevented from attending school in many places or shot if they try to attend. I would have been nice to be able to take new knowledge to school on Monday and teach my students about it.
  10. old pueblo
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    09 Mar '14 04:11
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    <snip>
    Then she said, "Then how could the French have got it so wrong?" "What
    do you mean?" She said, "Because Independence Day is the 4th of July!
    Everyone knows that! Why can't the stupid French celebrate it right?"
    My guess is she watches FOX news while she's ironing the tinfoil for her hat.
  11. Stargazing
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    09 Mar '14 06:58
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    International Women's Day (IWD) originated more than a century ago
    (when few women even had the right to vote anywhere). In some societies,
    IWD has changed from being an occasion of political activism to more of a
    general opportunity for men to express their appreciation, admiration, or
    affection for the women in their lives.

    Contrary to what Divege ...[text shortened]... Martinson

    http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/08/international-womens-day-violence
    What have I "ignorantly presumed"?
  12. SubscriberSuzianne
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    09 Mar '14 15:14
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Earlier you (Sahuaro) apparently implied that you were ignorant of the
    existence of International Women's Day as a holiday in any society.

    Of course, I know that ANZAC Day (April 25) is observed in Australia
    and New Zealand in honour of its soldiers who fought in the Dardanelles
    Campaign against the Ottoman Empire during the First World War.
    Indeed ...[text shortened]... Day is the 4th of July!
    Everyone knows that! Why can't the stupid French celebrate it right?"
    /facepalm


    It's okay, I've posted about this in the past and gotten similar yawns and "Why is there no Men's Day?"

    Pearls before swine, dear.
  13. Zugzwang
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    09 Mar '14 20:13
    Originally posted by Sahuaro
    No, I have heard of it over the years and know it exists. I'm ignorant of it being celebrated in any meaningful way and that its particular date was this week. It didn't exist when I was in school, so it wouldn't have been discussed in the way holidays around the world are taught. I'm also ignorant about how it would be celebrated and how widespread it is, ...[text shortened]... e been nice to be able to take new knowledge to school on Monday and teach my students about it.
    Sahuaro, thanks for your clarification. I hope this article can help you:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day
  14. Zugzwang
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    09 Mar '14 20:21
    Originally posted by divegeester
    What have I "ignorantly presumed"?
    "...the only thing 'customary' about this (IWD) is the plethora of annual
    E-mail it generates."
    --Divegeester

    That's false. While IWD might be ignored and dismissed in Divegeester's
    society, I know some women who have been accustomed to receiving
    flowers, gifts, or special attention from the men in their lives on IWDs.

    "I thought sexism in the workplace was illegal."
    --Divegeester

    In some societies, IWD is a public holiday for both men and women.
    And in many cultures men don't regard their customary 'obligations' toward
    women on IWD as any more 'sexist' than than they would on St Valentine's Day.
  15. Zugzwang
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    09 Mar '14 20:33
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    /facepalm
    It's okay, I've posted about this in the past and gotten similar yawns and "Why is there no Men's Day?"

    Pearls before swine, dear.
    Canada has Persons Day (October 18), which commemorates the legal case
    of Edwards v Canada, a victory for women's rights in Canada.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_v._Canada_(Attorney_General)

    I am aware that some insecure men object to the existence of Women's
    History Month as though women already were unfairly receiving too much
    attention for their contributions in history. Personally, I would like to see
    such eminent women scientists as Rosalind Franklin (1920-1958) and
    Wu Chien-Shiung (1912-1997) receive more attention for their achievements.

    'Pearls before swine, dear.'
    --Suzianne

    Suzianne, your knowledge of Biblical passages far exceeds mine. 🙂
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