Originally posted by AttilaTheHornso we have too many smoking bans and safety regulations. we need more fatalities. lets have sponsored euthenasia, high taxes on the aged and babies, fast cars cheaper than slow ones etc 😉
The world is overcrowded. The planet cannot sustain the population as it is now, and this is exacerbated by the fact that wealth is concentrated in a small percentage of the population which insists upon continued and unsustainable growth, which in turn creates the lion's share of environmental destruction. The poorest, in order to survive, create ever ...[text shortened]... Other species manage to control their population. Somehow we can't and it will do us all in.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYes of course, you're right, but I think I am too. So it's very much of a paradox. I don't begin to believe that I know what the answer is, and I don't think anyone does. However, I strongly believe that this peristent emphasis on growth, which ultimately must be unsustainable, is wrong. We live with constant consumerism which cause all this. The drive for more and more money, consumer goods, and wealth is somehow not right.
*Yawn* What are they teaching you kids in college these days? Environmentalists have been wrong on everything from overcrowding to peak oil, and now so-called "global warming." What you are espousing is socialism, which doesn't work and makes people more miserable than if they have to get up off their bum and work.
I think we can learn a thing or two from the way the native American lived for centuries before we practically wiped them out in our mad desire to expand. But that's not the answer either.
There's too many people in the world. No, let me amend that statement: There's too many other people in the world.🙂 And that statement too is part of the problem.
Good point, everyone has a valid point to a degree and personally I think alot of todays problems are due to the massive advances we have made in physics, medical and peace terms.
As I say in the old days it was a case of lets have a war! that way they could cut population and improve your own countries interests whether it be by use of power or wealth etc.
Today we have a more wider knowledge of other cultures and have the means to actively converse with different types of people all over the world - added to this people live longer now so its not just the births that are causes problems its the old timers as well lol
I can see in the future people moving not just to other countries but other planets - it may seem a fantasy at the moment but hay who would have imagined the internet/DNA/electricity etc look how far we have come and how far we will have come in even 10 years its quite scarey to think about it.
Originally posted by greenphantomits catch 22, poverty produces more children, and wealth produces more immigrants who come and make babies. also, people are living too long nowadays.
Good point, everyone has a valid point to a degree and personally I think alot of todays problems are due to the massive advances we have made in physics, medical and peace terms.
As I say in the old days it was a case of lets have a war! that way they could cut population and improve your own countries interests whether it be by use of power or weal ...[text shortened]... we have come and how far we will have come in even 10 years its quite scarey to think about it.
Hay I'm all for living a long life lol I dont want to get to a stage like in 'logans run' when you get turned into sand people once you get too old ha ha - but I think there needs to be a cap on how many children a family can sustain - if they can afford to pay for these kids ok but if there having 4 or 5 kids and the parents are on the social they need stopping lol
Originally posted by cheshirecatstevensI think if you look into the immigration data you will find that a ceratin amount off brits leave the UK for another life every year and a lot off immigrates (i.e. Polish people) are going back to Poland.
Should there be a population cap?
Thus i think Cap would not work as people are always going in and out.
Plus how would you manage such a system, it would be unfair to say that some from Belrius could come and stay in the UK and not someone from Zambia who has the same skill set.
The EU open border mean people from all over europe can work and live whereever they want - polish people are very hard working and only 1 percent claim benefits, as you say they come here they work and they mostly go home.
I welcome these sort of people to Britain as they shame the low lifers who dont want to work, but we are a small country and can not take everyone and I think immigration has to be capped but I dont class 'europeans' practicing there right to free passage within europe as being immigrants just workers.
The difference is if they are outside the EU they proberly can not work until they get a visa/passport and most outside of the EU come here to live and gain from things like schooling and the NHS - this I dont agree with.
There is a big difference between someone coming here to work and better there lives with an eye to moving back home - than someone coming here for a permanant stay.
Originally posted by greenphantomI think you have taken some off my posting incorrectly.
The EU open border mean people from all over europe can work and live whereever they want - polish people are very hard working and only 1 percent claim benefits, as you say they come here they work and they mostly go home.
I welcome these sort of people to Britain as they shame the low lifers who dont want to work, but we are a small country and can ...[text shortened]... r there lives with an eye to moving back home - than someone coming here for a permanant stay.
I'm not saying Polish people are bad, my neighbour is polish and he is cool.
It does not bother me if a person is from the EU or outside the EU, if they move here, they are a immigrate as far as I'm concered because they do not hold a British passport
I agree with your comment on low lifes that "soak" up tax payer services and know that for exmaple some NHS trust are clocking onto this and charging non-UK people for their NHS services.
The point I'm trying to get across to you is how your would manage this ?
Just as EU people move around and come and go, so do no-EU (who are hardworking and do pay taxes), so my question again is how are you going to monitor this ?
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In terms of surface area/person the world is currently not over populated. In terms of sustainable area it is. I think the most important point is something that most of us in the western world take for granted.
And that is water.
Water creates sustainable living areas, without it deserts form. What needs to be done is a series of self-sustaining de-salination plants in areas that need it. This solution can provide drinking water and irrigation water. Eventually this would allow crops to be grown.
A second more radical solution would be to flood areas below sea level to create seas. This would then allow water vapour, and thus clouds to form. One perfect area is lake eyre in aus. It is already a salt lake below sea level. Digging a feed to it from the sea would create an eco system.
If something along these lines is not done and soon then livable land in austrailia will gradually disappear as it has been for 1000's of years.
The only reason that this is not done is cost. And because we can't stick it in our petrol tanks!!!!!
Originally posted by IkutursoWe like to moan in England, if its not the weather, then its the tube or the Mayor
You just have inadequate public transport system. 😀 (Ever been to Tokyo?)
The reality is that their has been under investment in the tube system
The numbers off people incresing year on year (as well as the price off ticket), but very little to show for it.
The other issue is that whenever something is made, its not always controled correctly, and thus it canlt handle the volumes that you would expect in London for example
Tokyo tube is on another level, have sen photo of people being pushed onto tube......
Originally posted by Ikutursowhattya mean inadequate? I left for Tokyo once, waited 4 days for a bus but it broke down on the way to the airport so i hitched back home. our ex mayor filled the streets with so many empty buses that it brought the city to a standstill 😕
You just have inadequate public transport system. 😀 (Ever been to Tokyo?)
Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn100% I thoroughly agree and rec you too 🙂
The world is overcrowded. The planet cannot sustain the population as it is now, and this is exacerbated by the fact that wealth is concentrated in a small percentage of the population which insists upon continued and unsustainable growth, which in turn creates the lion's share of environmental destruction. The poorest, in order to survive, create ever ...[text shortened]... Other species manage to control their population. Somehow we can't and it will do us all in.