Originally posted by stevetoddWho am I? I'm the responsible mother of three beautifull daughters who are growing up with conflicting messages in society. Being a strong sucessfull woman does not mean they need to sell their bodies, self respect and dignity to the highest bidder. They can be sucessfull in life via many other outlets and fully enjoy their sexuality without feeling the need to fullfill or satisfy some sick depraved mans fantasies, but to explore their own. Not to try and live up to some man made industries standards of what sex should or shouldn't be. We're not a planet of sex starved bleach blonde lesbian nymphos. But if I so choose to be this this, I don't feel the need to be repressed enough to live out any of my fantasies through some ill conceived porn movie. I'll just go out and experience whatever my fantasy may be, not sit at home like some loser and watch other people being paid to perform sex acts for a living.
I haven't actually seen a 'porn' film/video/whatever for some years however your message compelled me to type as it's so arrogant! Who are you to set the standards and judge other people? So peddling porn is worse than selling heroin or smack to children or explosives to terrorists? But there is an arguement against your moralistic stance without intro ...[text shortened]... ring place if one person's preferences dictated what was acceptable for everyone to indulge in.
Originally posted by lamarrswailsI am cool kellsy, I have no need for porn films...😉
what make people like porn so much? what makes people want to watch other people screw!!!!! i could understand if you and your s.o. made a flick, but other than that i don't see the point in watching such garbage.
Originally posted by MetamorphosisI agree. Porn to me was kinda cool when I was younger, but the more I watched the less interesting it became. Especially since it all became the same. Nothing new or interesting. Now I try to dedicate my energies to the betterment of man through cultural events. Put down the porn and go to a MUSEUM.
Mokko is not arrogant she's just clear in her opinions and forthright in making them. Not to mention, she's gutsy to put forth such stuff in a forum that is probably 95% male...
I'm 46 and have had lots of sex in my life with many women. Like everyone else I've looked at porn but ultimately I see it as stupid, a crass glorification of the body, ...[text shortened]... not much is left over for "3-d" life, let alone for the development of relationship skills...
Was talking to a friend about the subject, he informed me he met a girl a few months ago who was in a porn movie. Was she in it because of the fame, the fortune, the money, the confidence or the empowerment? NO. She was in it because of all the cocaine that was available on the set. Sad state of affairs if you ask me. Would you like this to be your daughter? Your sister? Your niece? Your aunt?
Originally posted by mokkoCongradulations on having such a nice family however whilst everything you type regarding your daughters is of course true it still doesn't give you the right to set the standards for and judge everyone else. Personally I have no/little interest in watching porn but I would never criticise others for doing so.
Who am I? I'm the responsible mother of three beautifull daughters who are growing up with conflicting messages in society. Being a strong sucessfull woman does not mean they need to sell their bodies, self respect and dignity to the highest bidder. They can be sucessfull in life via many other outlets and fully enjoy their sexuality without feeling the need ...[text shortened]... sit at home like some loser and watch other people being paid to perform sex acts for a living.
Originally posted by mokko
I'm neither sexually repressed or close minded. I enjoy sex and am very confident in and with my sexuality. I think porn is a ridiculous statement of mans inteligence. I have watched porn, had sex to porn and even owned porn in my lifetime. This does not mean that at this point in my life I feel it's absolute filth for the true sexually repressed. If a person is sexually free and confident in their own life then it would eliminate the need for such outlets.
I fail to see how you can make such a statement. You're saying that if someone is confident and free about their sexuality, then they should limit it to just them and their partner, am I to presume this also means no sex toys? What about sexy lingerie, or alternate positions? Where do you draw the line between healthy additions to sex and 'filth' as you call it? Or is the missionary position enough?
To say thet Jenna Jameson is an example of a rich, successful and empowered women is a joke. She is a product of exploitation pure and simple.
I wonder if she would agree with you, she is a millionairess, she runs her own porn business. If you replace the word porn with say theatre, what is the difference? What do you judge success by and what makes you think she is exploited?
If females made that kind of money being teachers and care givers then gauranteed there would be no porn industry.
Rubbish, there will always be a porn industry, not everyone is cut out to be a teacher or a care giver (whatever definition of that you are assigning).
Saying that porn is a necessity to life is just silly. Life went on long before the technology to produce porn was ever around. Man was not a rabid insane beast before the time of porn. I just simply feel that as the dominating species on the planet you'd think we would put more time, energy and resources into greater achievements than porn. It's an embarresment to mans intelligence and ability.
Again this is just plainly untrue. Pornography has existed since before Christ, some of the earliest photographs and films ever made are pornographic. Try this for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography#History
Practically every culture in existence has had pornography in some sense. Humans have ALWAYS been 'rabid beasts' as you put it. I personally wish that people would put more effort into greater achievements than religion which is an embarrassment to man's intelligence and ability. I'd hazard it would be more productive than getting rid of porn.
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Who am I? I'm the responsible mother of three beautifull daughters who are growing up with conflicting messages in society.
Would you care to elaborate on these conflicting messages?
Being a strong sucessfull woman does not mean they need to sell their bodies, self respect and dignity to the highest bidder. They can be sucessfull in life via many other outlets and fully enjoy their sexuality without feeling the need to fullfill or satisfy some sick depraved mans fantasies, but to explore their own. Not to try and live up to some man made industries standards of what sex should or shouldn't be. We're not a planet of sex starved bleach blonde lesbian nymphos. But if I so choose to be this this, I don't feel the need to be repressed enough to live out any of my fantasies through some ill conceived porn movie. I'll just go out and experience whatever my fantasy may be, not sit at home like some loser and watch other people being paid to perform sex acts for a living.
You seem to be placing the blame firmly on hetrosexual men, there is plenty of porn which does not involve men, nor aimed hetro men, nor indeed hetro women. Your post smacks of both irrationality and feminism.
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Was talking to a friend about the subject, he informed me he met a girl a few months ago who was in a porn movie. Was she in it because of the fame, the fortune, the money, the confidence or the empowerment? NO. She was in it because of all the cocaine that was available on the set. Sad state of affairs if you ask me. Would you like this to be your daughter? Your sister? Your niece? Your aunt?
This could happen in any one of hundreds of industries, your entire ouotlook seems to suggest that porn is the be all and end all of evil and depravity. Sure there is certianly exploitation and whilst the industry goes largely unchecked and laws are paltry in combatting exploitation, I was never arguing a lawful position for the existence of porn. What I am arguing is that it is vital to the freedom of society as a human instinct and its repression can not be healthy for society. If a member of my family was in any industry in which they were exploited or exposed to danger I would show concern. Your objection to the fact that this girl was in porn is neither here nor there.
I wonder why you are against people enjoying porn as an addition to a healthy sex life. I know plenty of women who are strong, confident and empowered and who actively enjoy porn with or without their partners.
Pornography undermines the morality of recreational sexual intercourse. If we allow ourselves to be excused by the fact that "it's in our nature" then we are denying millions of years of evolution. Yes, we are repressed, but on considering exactly what we are repressing, perhaps it is a good thing that we are repressed.
Most of our repressions are beneficial to society. I believe that the current result of the advancement of our entire civilisation could not have been possible without the repression of our desires. If we all allowed ourselves to fall upon every whim then we would fall into hedonistic, criminal chaos. Your society has created this need, and then your society caters for it, and makes a lot of money.
Then there is the fact that indulging in pornography is a cowardly act. You are a little sheep sitting alone drenched in shame for your little secret fantasy world. Would you really feel comfortable looking at two or three or four people having sex with your own two eyes? You'd probably shy away, unless you saw that other sheep were watching too. Therein lies the stupidity of the group mindset.
Jenna Jameson is exploited, as all women are exploited, as all men are exploited, as we live in a world based on lies. You cannot say that we will ever be free of repression, and you cannot say that porn has ever done anything good for our society... yet we continue to lie to ourselves that we're above it all. Only we as individuals know the truth, that porn is a waste of the short time and energy that we have here on this Earth.
Plus, aliens would laugh at us.
Originally posted by hopscotch
Pornography undermines the morality of recreational sexual intercourse. If we allow ourselves to be excused by the fact that "it's in our nature" then we are denying millions of years of evolution.
On the contrary, we are acknowledging that our evolution has given us the freedom of thought and action to choose how to pursue our sexual drives. Instead of walking around raping each other and fighting for the best partners, we have found another way of fulfilling our desires.
Yes, we are repressed, but on considering exactly what we are repressing, perhaps it is a good thing that we are repressed.
I disagree that repression of natural instincts are a good thing. Expression of them must be tailored as befits society, but repression only leads to rebellion and the Bastille (I'm feeling all Marquis de Sade today, ahh, the heady mix of politics and sex).
Most of our repressions are beneficial to society. I believe that the current result of the advancement of our entire civilisation could not have been possible without the repression of our desires.
That's like saying that we wouldn't be where we are if we didn't do what we did... Obviously we did, that's why we're here. Whether there was a better way is another matter.
If we all allowed ourselves to fall upon every whim then we would fall into hedonistic, criminal chaos. Your society has created this need, and then your society caters for it, and makes a lot of money.
Have you read Philosophy in the Boudoir?
Then there is the fact that indulging in pornography is a cowardly act. You are a little sheep sitting alone drenched in shame for your little secret fantasy world. Would you really feel comfortable looking at two or three or four people having sex with your own two eyes? You'd probably shy away, unless you saw that other sheep were watching too. Therein lies the stupidity of the group mindset.
I have to ask why you think this is the case. I think you are right, most people would not be comfortable with watching other have sex, but it is our socially rerpressed attitudes to sex which have caused this, a lot of which I believe are down to religion.
Jenna Jameson is exploited, as all women are exploited, as all men are exploited, as we live in a world based on lies. You cannot say that we will ever be free of repression, and you cannot say that porn has ever done anything good for our society... yet we continue to lie to ourselves that we're above it all.
I'd disagree, I have learnt many things from porn, which have benefitted my relationships. Though I agree we will probably never be free from repression, this too is the stupidity of the group mindset.
Only we as individuals know the truth, that porn is a waste of the short time and energy that we have here on this Earth.
You can say that about any hobby, passtime, your job, supermarkets, the infrequent placement of rubbish bins etc.
Plus, aliens would laugh at us.
Now you're talking, alien porn...
Originally posted by Starrmanmy my, you're getting more intellectual with each day 😛
Originally posted by hopscotch
[b]Pornography undermines the morality of recreational sexual intercourse. If we allow ourselves to be excused by the fact that "it's in our nature" then we are denying millions of years of evolution.
On the contrary, we are acknowledging that our evolution has given us the freedom of thought and action to ch ...[text shortened]... ubbish bins etc.
Plus, aliens would laugh at us.
Now you're talking, alien porn...[/b]
Personally, I think you should change your forum title to "porn proponent"... though I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just how you're coming across 😛
I love this thread 😀
Originally posted by hopscotch
Originally posted by Starrman
On the contrary, we are acknowledging that our evolution has given us the freedom of thought and action to choose how to pursue our sexual drives. Instead of walking around raping each other and fighting for the best partners, we have found another way of fulfilling our desires.
Our evolution has not given us any freedom of thought that we did not already have. Now that pornography has become more easily accessible do we seek to justify it as fulfilling some tawdry need? Porn doesn't fulfill anything but the pockets of the producers. You would no doubt laud the educational value of a porn movie, but what are we teaching here? Have we become so lazy and inept at actually thinking for ourselves that we have degenerated into a reliance on the chosen and captioned bedroom habits of others? Hypothetically, if you had the choice to either be completely ignorant during your first real sexual encounter, or if you were 'blessed' with forehand knowledge, playing out some scenario in your bedroom with your partner, nervously trying to remember all the scenes... which would you choose? I'd personally like to find things out for myself.
Yes, we are repressed, but on considering exactly what we are repressing, perhaps it is a good thing that we are repressed
I disagree that repression of natural instincts are a good thing. Expression of them must be tailored as befits society, but repression only leads to rebellion and the Bastille (I'm feeling all Marquis de Sade today, ahh, the heady mix of politics and sex).
Yes, but an open allowance of the expression of our natural instincts leads to a lack of accountability for our actions. Say Joe kills Steve. Joe goes to court, says, "Hey judge dude, I'm only human." Humanity as we know it is a result of repression, repression allows us our superiority over other creatures on this planet. If we just did whatever we wanted when we wanted then we would end up with nothing by tomorrow. It's about foresight... and I suppose that a healthy mind would be filled with repression of basic animalistic desires, because of a belief in "tomorrow". Pornography does not serve to reduce repression in any way, it only serves to exacerbate and cheapen the underlying cause of this repression, fantasy. If we binge on porn our fantasies become diluted accordingly. It's an age old curse that we are burdened to want what we can't have, porn takes advantage of that by giving us a taste of what we could not achieve due to our own failure to succeed sexually with a thousand brilliantly hot young lesbians.
Most of our repressions are beneficial to society. I believe that the current result of the advancement of our entire civilisation could not have been possible without the repression of our desires.
That's like saying that we wouldn't be where we are if we didn't do what we did... Obviously we did, that's why we're here. Whether there was a better way is another matter.
See above, repression is good, we wouldn't be where we are if we didn't repress what we wanted. Right now I'm repressing a desire to go home and sleep, but instead you're graced with my amazing insights for another post as I whittle away the afternoon.
Have you read Philosophy in the Boudoir?
Nope. Does it have pictures?
Then there is the fact that indulging in pornography is a cowardly act. You are a little sheep sitting alone drenched in shame for your little secret fantasy world. Would you really feel comfortable looking at two or three or four people having sex with your own two eyes? You'd probably shy away, unless you saw that other sheep were watching too. Therein lies the stupidity of the group mindset.
I have to ask why you think this is the case. I think you are right, most people would not be comfortable with watching other have sex, but it is our socially rerpressed attitudes to sex which have caused this, a lot of which I believe are down to religion.
It's a cowardly act because whether we'd like it or not, most of us are moralistic. As a species we've had morals long before we had religion. Most of us like to think that we're honest with ourselves, if we suddenly see two people humping away in front of us, for real, we'd be mature enough to leave them alone because if we were one of those people we'd want to be left alone... so that's based on empathy. If you're looking a woman on the screen having certain acts performed upon her person, there's some small part of you that empathizes with her, which is probably what turns you on... the cowardice comes in because you are too scared to try to go out there and do those things yourself... and then... if you did... that porn would probably not mean much to you any more, because you've lived out that fantasy.
Jenna Jameson is exploited, as all women are exploited, as all men are exploited, as we live in a world based on lies. You cannot say that we will ever be free of repression, and you cannot say that porn has ever done anything good for our society... yet we continue to lie to ourselves that we're above it all.
I'd disagree, I have learnt many things from porn, which have benefitted my relationships. Though I agree we will probably never be free from repression, this too is the stupidity of the group mindset.
I didn't say that porn never did anything good for the individual, I said it never did anything good for society (I mean, as a whole).
Only we as individuals know the truth, that porn is a waste of the short time and energy that we have here on this Earth.
You can say that about any hobby, passtime, your job, supermarkets, the infrequent placement of rubbish bins etc.
We'd best be careful here... this porn thread could turn into a discussion on the meaning of our entire existence.
Originally posted by mokkoyeah, imagine your moms or daughter kissing you the after just finishing a gangbang.
Was talking to a friend about the subject, he informed me he met a girl a few months ago who was in a porn movie. Was she in it because of the fame, the fortune, the money, the confidence or the empowerment? NO. She was in it because of all t ...[text shortened]... like this to be your daughter? Your sister? Your niece? Your aunt?
