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  1. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    09 Aug '16 16:45
    Sir,
    This is something I came across on the internet. I know we can't trust everything we read on the internet. So, I would like to ask you being you are a JW. Are these things true?

    141 Things Jehovah Witnesses Can’t Do
    141 Rules. Things Jehovah’s Witnesses Can’t Do.

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
    4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
    5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
    6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
    7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
    8.Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
    9.Join the armed forces and defend their country
    10.Say the Pledge of Allegiance
    11.Salute the flag
    12.Vote
    13.Run for leadership in their organization. (JW’s are ‘appointed’ and invited to be leaders.)
    14.Run for leadership in any organization 15.Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization
    16.Take a stand on any political or ‘worldly’ issue outside of their organization
    17.Campaign for a political candidate
    18.Hold political office
    19.Discuss politics
    20.Be a union steward or shop steward
    21.Actively be involved in a union strike
    22.Use a gun for protection against humans
    23.Become a police officer if a gun is required
    24.Wear military uniforms or clothing associated with war
    25.Take yoga classes and practice the discipline of yoga.
    26.Smoke tobacco and cigars 27.Work full time selling tobacco and cigars
    28.Attend Alcoholics Anonymous
    29.Donate blood
    30.Have blood transfusions
    31.Read books, magazines, publications, and literature from other religions.
    32.Buy anything from a church store
    33.Buy something at a church garage sale
    34.Donate items to a church run store
    35.Shop at the Salvation Army
    36.Work for the Salvation Army
    37.Work for another church
    38.Play competitive sports on a school team
    39.Play competitive sports professionally
    40.Run for class president
    41.Become a cheerleader
    42.Go to the school prom or school dance.
    43.Attend class reunions
    44.Be hypnotized
    45.Accept Jesus as their mediator
    46.Join the Boy Scouts
    47.Join the Girl Guides
    48.Join the YMCA
    49.Serve on jury duty
    50.Study psychology, philosophy, sociology, and viewpoints that might shake their faith
    51.Attend other Christian churches
    52.Attend nondenominational churches
    53.Attend non Christian churches
    54.Get married in another church
    55.Dating non believers is discouraged
    56.Casual dating is discouraged
    57.Dating someone without the intent of getting married
    58.Having sex before marriage
    59.Breaking an engagement, separation, and ‘unscriptural’ divorce may result in disciplinary action
    60.Marriage to non believers is not recommended
    61.Be gay or lesbian. Homosexuality is not acceptable.
    62.Throw rice at a wedding
    63.Get divorced unless the reason is adultery
    64.Can’t remarry unless their ex commits fornication first
    65.Toast drinks
    66.Buy a raffle ticket
    67.Play bingo
    68.Gamble
    69.Sing any holiday songs
    70.Sing the National Anthem.
    71.Celebrate Christmas – Why?
    72.Celebrate New Years Eve – Why?
    73.Celebrate Easter – Why?
    74.Celebrate Mother’s Day – Why?
    75.Celebrate Father’s Day
    76.Celebrate birthdays – Why?
    77.Celebrate Thanksgiving
    78.Celebrate Flag Day
    79.Celebrate Veteran’s Day
    80.Celebrate Independence Day. Why?
    81.Celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day
    82.Celebrate Valentine’s Day
    83.Celebrate Halloween – Why?
    84.Celebrate Hanukkah
    85.Accept holiday gifts – Why?
    86.Celebrate any holiday except the death of Jesus – Why?
    87.Partake in the bread and wine that represents Christ unless they are part of the 144,000
    88.Make holiday artwork for school
    89.Engage in holiday parties at school
    90.Take on a leadership role in school
    91.Porneia
    92.Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place
    93.Attend a class, workshop, or seminar, sponsored by another church 94.Attend social events or fund raisers sponsored by another church
    95.Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged
    96.Wear blue jeans, shorts, and overly casual clothing at the Kingdom Hall. See Dress Code
    97.Wear pants at a Kingdom Hall if you’re a woman
    98.Wear revealing clothes or skirts that are too short (looked down upon)
    99.Wear long hair or facial hair if you’re a man (depends on the local customs of the country you live in)
    100.Body piercing are discouraged
    101.Tattoos are discouraged
    102.State or imply that the Watchtower is not run by Jehovah God.
    103.Have discussions and express Bible based viewpoints that contradict the organization’s beliefs
    104.Say anything negative about their organization. JW’s must ‘speak in agreement’ and be ‘like-minded’.
    105.Consider other religious beliefs as valid and truthful.
    106.Acknowledge any prayer spoken by a non believer as valid
    107.Take another Jehovah’s Witness to court (with exceptions)
    108.Wear or own a cross
    109.Own any religious picture
    110.Own any religious statue
    111.Engage in idolatry
    112.Believe in miracles (except those found in the Bible)
    113.Believe in ghosts
    114.Witchcraft
    115.Black magic
    116.White magic
    117.Consult with a psychic or become one
    118.Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading
    119.Study numerology or get a reading
    120.Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination
    121.Use a tool such as a pendulum to access information from the spiritual realm
    122.Attempt to communicate with departed spirits.
    123.Attend a seance
    124.Believe in good luck or say things such as ‘Good luck to you’. Why?
    125.Believe or say anything superstitious
    126.Prophesy
    127.Speaking in tongues
    128.Laying on of hands
    129.Energy healing such as Reiki
    130.Read their horoscope
    131.Study astrology or zodiac signs
    132.Combat training, boxing, or martial arts
    133.Go to heaven unless they are part of the 144,000
    134.Worship Jesus as God
    135.Idolize any celebrity or love and admire them to excess
    136.Women can’t be elders
    137.Women can’t be ministerial servants (assistants to the elders)
    138.Divulge secret information to enemies and those not entitled to know.
    139.Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions)
    140.Associate with disfellowshipped persons except for immediate family living in the same house
    141.Keep secrets from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules

    Five More Things Jehovah’s Witnesses Can’t Do.
    1.Women cannot assume the role of a male and instruct the congregation.
    2.A woman should not pray in the presence of a baptized male JW.
    3.Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t be part of this world. They must be separate from the world
    4.They can’t believe anything former Jehovah’s Witnesses say, – even if it’s factual.
    5.Unless they’re an Elder, Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t read this book, – ‘Shepherd the Flock of God’

    (ref: The JehovahWitnesses.org)

    If someone can provide me with a list of Things Jehovah Witnesses CAN DO, I’d be very grateful. Seems to me Jehovah Witnesses lives are controlled completely by The Watchtower Society/Governing Body – made up of all men by the way (as a side note). In fact all the churches were comparing on this blog have leaders who are made up of all men! Huh… something to ponder! I don’t have an ax to grind with men, just making a point.
  2. Subscribersonhouse
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    09 Aug '16 17:28
    Originally posted by Very Rusty
    Sir,
    This is something I came across on the internet. I know we can't trust everything we read on the internet. So, I would like to ask you being you are a JW. Are these things true?

    141 Things Jehovah Witnesses Can’t Do
    141 Rules. Things Jehovah’s Witnesses Can’t Do.

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing wit ...[text shortened]... of all men! Huh… something to ponder! I don’t have an ax to grind with men, just making a point.
    I gargled JW's in sports and there is a pretty good list of pro JW's, including Venus and Serena Williams as you probably know, tennis greats. And a lot more.
  3. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    09 Aug '16 17:37
    Originally posted by Very Rusty
    Sir,
    This is something I came across on the internet. I know we can't trust everything we read on the internet. So, I would like to ask you being you are a JW. Are these things true?

    141 Things Jehovah Witnesses Can’t Do
    141 Rules. Things Jehovah’s Witnesses Can’t Do.

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing wit ...[text shortened]... of all men! Huh… something to ponder! I don’t have an ax to grind with men, just making a point.
    Dude, I thought you were all for posting things in the appropriate forum?


    That list was posted in the spirituality forum eons ago and was mostly debunked. (As much as I would like to yank Robbie's chain).
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    09 Aug '16 17:40
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I gargled JW's in sports and there is a pretty good list of pro JW's, including Venus and Serena Williams as you probably know, tennis greats. And a lot more.
    Aren't Venus and Serena violating Rule 39?
  5. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    09 Aug '16 17:43
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    Aren't Venus and Serena violating Rule 39?
    And most likely Rule 98. 🙂
  6. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    09 Aug '16 17:442 edits
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Dude, I thought you were all for posting things in the appropriate forum?


    That list was posted in the spirituality forum eons ago and was mostly debunked. (As much as I would like to yank Robbie's chain).
    Ghost of Duke,
    I don't post or view the Spirituality forums. I see no reason I can't ask the question here. IF robbie can post a chess problem, then why can't I post this? Not something I would want to be a part of if all 141 things are TRUE!!!

    Regards,
    -VR
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    09 Aug '16 17:462 edits
    The people have spoken Crusty old bean and you should not have posted your list of fictitious items here. I really cannot be bothered going through them all and debunking them again and again and again, its a very tedious affair. If you want to know about the beliefs of Jehovahs witnesses go to jw.org and thats all i am prepared to say on the matter.
  8. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    09 Aug '16 17:48
    Originally posted by Very Rusty
    Ghost of Duke,
    I don't post in the Spirituality forums. I see no reason I can't ask the question here. IF robbie can post a chess problem, then why can't I post this?

    Regards,
    -VR
    That was my point sir. You challenged the posting of a chess problem in the GF and then proceed to bring in religion.

    Kindest regards
    Hope you get a halo

    Duke of a walrus
  9. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    09 Aug '16 17:511 edit
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    That was my point sir. You challenged the posting of a chess problem in the GF and then proceed to bring in religion.

    Kindest regards
    Hope you get a halo

    Duke of a walrus
    Nothing was done about that posting, so I guess it doesn't matter where you post what ever topic you want. Go look, unless a Moderator removed it since then, but it was there for days!! When the page flips I may repost it again! 😛

    Regards,
    -VR
  10. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    09 Aug '16 17:542 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The people have spoken Crusty old bean and you should not have posted your list of fictitious items here. I really cannot be bothered going through them all and debunking them again and again and again, its a very tedious affair. If you want to know about the beliefs of Jehovahs witnesses go to jw.org and thats all i am prepared to say on the matter.
    robbie,
    So as usual you are dodging the question. Too many hard ones there for you to answer, I can see why you wouldn't want to. 😛 How about how many have you broken? Willing to answer that one? By the way I don't think people have finished speaking, watch you manners, sir. 😉

    Regards,
    -VR
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    09 Aug '16 17:55
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    The people have spoken Crusty old bean and you should not have posted your list of fictitious items here. I really cannot be bothered going through them all and debunking them again and again and again, its a very tedious affair. If you want to know about the beliefs of Jehovahs witnesses go to jw.org and thats all i am prepared to say on the matter.
    The truth will out.
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    09 Aug '16 17:55
    Note Rule 2: Have best friends and activity buddies (e.g., Easy Riders) who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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    09 Aug '16 17:571 edit
    Originally posted by Great Big Stees
    The truth will out.
    yes it will but I can hardly remember the last time I was called upon to refrain from divulging secret information to my enemies and those not entitled to know.🙄

    Rule 138.
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    09 Aug '16 17:582 edits
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    Note Rule 2: Have best friends and activity buddies (e.g., Easy Riders) who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    you're my friend aren't you Andrew, your endearng use of terms like ,'you're vermin', has convinced me of it! 😀
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    09 Aug '16 18:012 edits
    Originally posted by Very Rusty
    robbie,
    So as usual you are dodging the question. Too many hard ones there for you to answer, I can see why you wouldn't want to. 😛 How about how many have you broken? Willing to answer that one? By the way I don't think people have finished speaking, watch you manners, sir. 😉

    Regards,
    -VR
    Rusty as the people have said its been posted before, probably three times or more to my knowledge. If you want to know about any specifics I will be more than happy to explain but I am certainly not wasting my time debunking the false or explaining the basis for those that may be true.

    You have no interest in the beliefs of Jehovahs witnesses you are simply using my religious convictions in an attempt to to vilify me because quite frankly I am too brilliant to be caught by regular means.
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