Originally posted by Bosse de NageI don't see you angling for mere survival, Uesugi. Is that the deal you gave your vassals: help me win and I'll allow you to survive the game? Or do they think they are going to share in the victory?
Although not part of the victory coalition, ATY finished fifth in MD. It sounds like you'd describe him as a loser.
Originally posted by no1marauderTo be perfectly frank, we've been too busy having fun to work out the final details yet.
I don't see you angling for mere survival, Uesugi. Is that the deal you gave your vassals: help me win and I'll allow you to survive the game? Or do they think they are going to share in the victory?
Would you consider it honourable for my vassals to betray me in the hope of grabbing a few more points? I somehow doubt it.
No1, l think you are missing a few other things that motivate players - some in this game are new and are learining the rules etc and are happy to support a suzerain in doing so.
Others are trying particular game plans and concentrating on tactical battles rather than the big picture. Hence the fact they are not royal (Lord Oda is a great example ,he has had incredible success)
You should know from our Napoelonic game where l could have tried to stop you winning but l knew there was no point and we had worked well together so l did not try to stop you claiming victory with Sweden. l enjoyed that game a lot despite knowing long before the end that l would not get the victory.
In this game the victory is far from decided - who claims what will have to be sorted out, just know that none in Kyushu havr any need to be concerned as you will all be dead, as all you do now is spout hatred for all others.
And for cancelling recon without warning you have now lost an ally.
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Originally posted by nook7Don't be a hypocrite, "ally"; why did you give the Shimazu a province this turn? So that its fleet (all it has left) can be used against me and my allies, of course.
No1, l think you are missing a few other things that motivate players - some in this game are new and are learining the rules etc and are happy to support a suzerain in doing so.
Others are trying particular game plans and concentrating on tactical battles rather than the big picture. Hence the fact they are not royal (Lord Oda is a great example ,he has h ...[text shortened]... ut hatred for all others.
And for cancelling recon without warning you have now lost an ally.
I cancelled recon because you stated you were "working closely" with the Uesugi. I saw no reason to allow the Uesugi to see the disposition of my allies' forces when they have intervened to support a realm that attacked them.
If other players don't want to win, fine. But I bet you folks aren't mentioning the tidbit that you and the Uesugi are angling for a victory that doesn't include them. Just bringing the facts out; isn't the search for truth a monk thing to do?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageSince you are deceiving your vassals, I see nothing dishonorable about them trying to win on their own rather than merely helping you win when it insures they will not.
To be perfectly frank, we've been too busy having fun to work out the final details yet.
Would you consider it honourable for my vassals to betray me in the hope of grabbing a few more points? I somehow doubt it.
Originally posted by no1marauderNo1 l am no hypocrite - l sold the province to the Shimazu for good money $ , it was of no strategic use to me- your concerns with the Shimazu are of no interest to me.
Don't be a hypocrite, "ally"; why did you give the Shimazu a province this turn? So that its fleet (all it has left) can be used against me and my allies, of course.
I cancelled recon because you stated you were "working closely" with the Uesugi. I saw no reason to allow the Uesugi to see the disposition of my allies' forces when they have inte ...[text shortened]... lude them. Just bringing the facts out; isn't the search for truth a monk thing to do?
l understand why you cancelled but the fact that you did so without warning to an ally is an insult - in character that is enough for me to demand compensation.
The discussions about the end of the game have only started now - there has not been a decision - a few Lords have already indicated they are not concerned one way or another. Anyway this is our concern you need not worry about that.
A monks search for truth is a inner self truth No1 (you with the great love of all things religious should know that :-p) l am acheiving my oww inner perfection by the glorious deeds on the battlefield. The concerns of others is irrelevant unless it clashes with my search for inner peace; if it does then l remove it.
Originally posted by nook7Of course it is hypocritical to say "you've lost an ally" when you, my supposed ally, is assisting my enemy. And we both know why.
No1 l am no hypocrite - l sold the province to the Shimazu for good money $ , it was of no strategic use to me- your concerns with the Shimazu are of no interest to me.
l understand why you cancelled but the fact that you did so without warning to an ally is an insult - in character that is enough for me to demand compensation.
The discussions about the en ...[text shortened]... ers is irrelevant unless it clashes with my search for inner peace; if it does then l remove it.
You had better count on your vassals not caring that you and the Uesugi intend to win without them; otherwise you won't get to wage wars on isolated, vastly outnumbered realms which is 100% of your "glorious deeds on the battlefield".
Originally posted by no1marauderWell, I don't.
Of course it is hypocritical to say "you've lost an ally" when you, my supposed ally, is assisting my enemy. And we both know why.
You had better count on your vassals not caring that you and the Uesugi intend to win without them; otherwise you won't get to wage wars on isolated, vastly outnumbered realms which is 100% of your "glorious deeds on the battlefield".
Originally posted by no1marauderYou are insulting my vassals by assuming that they are stupid. I'm not sure how that is supposed to help your cause.
Since you are deceiving your vassals, I see nothing dishonorable about them trying to win on their own rather than merely helping you win when it insures they will not.
Originally posted by no1marauderWho've you waged war on so far--Shimazu and now it seems Mori? "Isolated, vastly outnumbered realms..." Never mind you'll be in for some real action soon!
You had better count on your vassals not caring that you and the Uesugi intend to win without them; otherwise you won't get to wage wars on isolated, vastly outnumbered realms which is 100% of your "glorious deeds on the battlefield".
Originally posted by no1marauderl support the Uesugi as they have been my ally since the start of tge game and have helped me grow and flourish as have the Oda and the Asakura. l have not benefited at all from being allied to you.
Of course it is hypocritical to say "you've lost an ally" when you, my supposed ally, is assisting my enemy. And we both know why.
You had better count on your vassals not caring that you and the Uesugi intend to win without them; otherwise you won't get to wage wars on isolated, vastly outnumbered realms which is 100% of your "glorious deeds on the battlefield".
There is no hyporisy in my actions - just because it doesnt suit you does not make me a hypocrite- remember there is more to this game than the little island of Kyushu.
You have started picking the sour grapes early in this one.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageAll the games are pretty much the same; I'm playing in a Galactic Warlords and Age of Conquest, too. The biggest difference is that a limited view of the board gives more tactical opportunities for surprise and makes cavalry a bit more valuable.
I do hope so too!
How do you find the tactical aspect of this game as compared to MD?
Originally posted by nook7Then don't bitch about "losing an ally" when you deliberately take actions against the interest of that ally. You are a hypocrite to suggest my decision to withhold recon was the act of a bad ally when on the same turn you went out of your way to aid an enemy of mine.
l support the Uesugi as they have been my ally since the start of tge game and have helped me grow and flourish as have the Oda and the Asakura. l have not benefited at all from being allied to you.
There is no hyporisy in my actions - just because it doesnt suit you does not make me a hypocrite- remember there is more to this game than the little island of Kyushu.
You have started picking the sour grapes early in this one.
AHH, "sour grapes" - the same BS that was said in MD. Maybe you people should come up with more imaginative tag lines to criticize someone who is pointing out the ugly facts of your and Uesugi's deceit.