Originally posted by AThousandYoungOh deary me, I fear there shall be prayers for the fallen in Otomo & Ito tonight:
TAKE THAT, HOSOKAWA!!!
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Ito Army #2
2 Light Ronin
2 Samurai Horse Archers
1 Heavy Cavalry
Ito Army #11
4 Mounted Bowmen
Otomo Army
2 Elite Samurai
4 Jizamurai Warriors
1 Samurai Bowman
All dead all dead
All the dreams we had
And I wonder why I still live on
All dead all dead
And alone I'm spared
My sweeter half instead
All dead and gone all dead
All dead all dead
At the rainbow's end
And still I hear her own sweet song
All dead all dead
Take me back again
You know my little friend's
All dead and gone
Originally posted by StarrmanOh, you dear,
Oh deary me, I fear there shall be prayers for the fallen in Otomo & Ito tonight:
Ito Army #2
2 Light Ronin
2 Samurai Horse Archers
1 Heavy Cavalry
Ito Army #11
4 Mounted Bowmen
Otomo Army
2 Elite Samurai
4 Jizamurai Warriors
1 Samurai Bowman
All dead all dead
All the dreams we had
And I wonder why I still live on
All dea ...[text shortened]... t song
All dead all dead
Take me back again
You know my little friend's
All dead and gone
Now the curtains are drawn let's see what happens.
A skirmish in which I inadvertantly gave the script away ... 'jishin ga aru kai?'
Originally posted by no1marauderThus, what appears to have been outright defeat for Otomo & Ito in Tosa (for a combined value of over 160 gold) was really an outstanding success! Kyushu is a tricky, topsy-turvy land.
And yet your realm shrinks each season. In the turn 7 file, you had 113 province Gold value and now you are down to 80. The war you started seems to be going badly for you.
EDIT: And your master seems to have lost a Han.:'(
"Men, make yourselves ready for the conquest of the irrational..."
I am told "that there is an extreme theory, mostly unaccepted and probably bogus, that Uesugi Kenshin was actually a woman.
He was celibate, had no biological children and liked his young male attendants, although it should be noted that premodern Japanese did not distinguish rigidly between hetro and homosexual - Shingen had a male lover, but also two wives, three formal concubines, and maybe two dozen or so more informal concubines.
He must have been a busy man."
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageAnd the loss of Kochi is a great victory for your lapdog?
Thus, what appears to have been outright defeat for Otomo & Ito in Tosa (for a combined value of over 160 gold) was really an outstanding success! Kyushu is a tricky, topsy-turvy land.
"Men, make yourselves ready for the conquest of the irrational..."
It seems some players in this game are making the same mistake as in MD; acting in the interest of larger realms and not of themselves. The Uesugi gain 37 province gold value last turn while their vassal states lost value. Do they really believe that Uesugi will share the victory with them? Or is it far more likely he will join with the Ikko Ikki and together they will screw the HoJos, Odas, Askakuras. etc. etc. of the world? Some people here really need to review the victory conditions.
EDIT: Here they are:
Major and Minor Partners: Victory can be claimed by a coalition of realms. There can be between 1 and 3 victors. There can only be 1 Major Partner. There may be up to 2 Minor Partners (there can be 1 or none too). The Major and Minor partners are determined by the coalition that is declaring victory (the coalition decides this amongst its members). A victory claim is based on the gold value of all provinces owned by the coalition (annexation and province damage does not matter, only ownership and the maximum gold value).
There are 2 requirements for victory:
1) A coalition must control at least 3 of the 6 Major Fiefdoms in the game. These can be seen on the Fiefdoms area of your HQ menu, and can be controlled by any member of the coalition.
2) A coalition declaring victory may have no more than 3 members. The coalition must control provinces worth 650 gold, plus 450 gold for each Minor Partner in the coalition (of course, there must be at least 1 Major Parnter in the coalition). A sole victory would require 650 gold, 1 Major and 1 Minor would require 650+450=1100 gold, and 1 Major and 2 Minors would require 650+450+450=1550 Gold.
The Major Victor is considered the first place winner, the Minor Victor(s) are considered second place winners, and all other surviving realms are ranked depending on their final tally of gold (from provinces controlled). It doesn't matter which coalition declares first, the only thing that matters is the gold value controlled by that coalition (listed for each country in the last message of your Messages screen, in your turnfile). Annexation does not matter, just the total gold of territories controlled. An opposing coalition can block a victory claim. This opposing coalition does not need to meet the victory conditions. To determine if a victory claim is blocked, the gold revenue of each coalition receives a bonus, based on the number of members:
A lot of vassals helping out the two great powers; do you think any of you will be invited to the final victory?
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Originally posted by no1marauderHosokawa is my lapdog, but Otomo and Ito are your stalwart allies, of course.
And the loss of Kochi is a great victory for your lapdog?
As for Kochi--I'm sure you've heard of a tactical withdrawal. It wouldn't have been that smart to stand in the way of Otomo's massive clanking samurai brigade now would it? As it turns out, though, diverting troops to repulse a possible coastal attack (which proved much larger than anticipated) was. Now Hosokawa has a much better chance of taking on that monstrous Otomo force in Kochi!
As for the motivations of my allies--they must all, as you imply, be stupid.
Edit--everyone who reaches the end scores points equal to the value of their provinces, so everyone who reaches the end of the game alive stands to run up a decent score.
Edit 2--Ito has chosen to "act in his own interests", as you put it. We'll see how much good it does him, or whether Shimazu ends the game with more land than him (and you).
Originally posted by no1marauderAnd the alternative is?
And the loss of Kochi is a great victory for your lapdog?
It seems some players in this game are making the same mistake as in MD; acting in the interest of larger realms and not of themselves. The Uesugi gain 37 province gold value last turn while their vassal states lost value. Do they really believe that Uesugi will share the victory with th ...[text shortened]... helping out the two great powers; do you think any of you will be invited to the final victory?
I have but one way of staying in the game and that is to act in the interests of my Suzerain (due to recklessness and a lack of internet access for 3 weeks). Unlike MD it actually benefits the Suzerain to expand through his henchmen and whilst I have been doing no expanding of late, I hope to begin getting back in the game soon. Will I be part of the victory coalition? As a commoner it seems unlikely, unless my suzerain chooses to go for national domination and claim victory as a single royal. I wonder if this should perhaps be put in as a condition of royal victory (ie to attain it with assisting henchmen rather than assisting royal allies).
Either way, I'm enjoying playing the game again. If my suzerain achieves victtory, with or wihtout me, I will be glad.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageYour comments only support what I said; your vassal states are forgoing all chances of victory by supporting you. Why people want to play the game with the sole apparent intention of helping someone else win is hard to understand.
Hosokawa is my lapdog, but Otomo and Ito are your stalwart allies, of course.
As for Kochi--I'm sure you've heard of a tactical withdrawal. It wouldn't have been that smart to stand in the way of Otomo's massive clanking samurai brigade now would it? As it turns out, though, diverting troops to repulse a possible coastal attack (which proved much l ...[text shortened]... rovinces, so everyone who reaches the end of the game alive stands to run up a decent score.
EDIT: I'd rather try to win and lose that way, then playing like your vassals and losing without trying to win at all. There is no honor is that.