Originally posted by no1marauderNot stating it in the profile isn't secretive use or pretence that they are not being used. If you are asked and say that it's not anybody else's business, it still isn't pretence that they are not being used.
He wants people to have some kind of label or explicitly state it in their profile.
Originally posted by NordlysI agree...what is this marauder guy going on about I think his got a complex?
Not stating it in the profile isn't secretive use or pretence that they are not being used. If you are asked and say that it's not anybody else's business, it still isn't pretence that they are not being used.
Originally posted by NordlysIt doesn't bother me in the slightest who uses databases - it's when they state they are not and you later find they were. I don't really care too much about those who prefer to be secretive - just when they utter falsehoods about it.
So you have asked players whether they use a database, they have denied it, but you have a lot of evidence that they do? I may be wrong, but I would expect that most players wouldn't lie about it if you ask them, since they aren't doing anything wrong. I use databases, and I certainly don't have a problem "admitting" it.
Originally posted by Vladamir no1Rubbish. I don't need to convince myself. I am simply playing a game called Correspondence Chess, which differs in some significant ways from a game called OTB Chess. And you don't get a 1980 rating just by using a database (or I would have one).
I'll uncode that sentence
I've got a 1980 rating from using a databaase and you're making me feel like i'm cheating even more than I already do.... so I'll defend database use not to convince you but to convince myself
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveDo you think that happens a lot?
It doesn't bother me in the slightest who uses databases - it's when they state they are not and you later find they were. I don't really care too much about those who prefer to be secretive - just when they utter falsehoods about it.
Originally posted by NordlysSorry I meant that for no1 marauder, my apologies 🙂
Rubbish. I don't need to convince myself. I am simply playing a game called Correspondence Chess, which differs in some significant ways from a game called OTB Chess. And you don't get a 1980 rating just by using a database (or I would have one).
Originally posted by NordlysRead what he was saying and you'll see why I replied in the way I did, I would have done the same to you if you had replied in the same way, Don't worry lady I'm no gentle man 😉
So if I use a database, it's okay, but if no1 does, he should feel guilty?
Originally posted by Vladamir no1I have read what he was saying (and I agree with him), but I don't see why you replied in the way you did.
Read what he was saying and you'll see why I replied in the way I did, I would have done the same to you if you had replied in the same way, Don't worry lady I'm no gentle man 😉
Originally posted by RagnorakI seriously doubt that's the impression "more clueless" players got from my statement (assuming that's what you're talking about). I have absolutely no problem with using databases to learn more about chess. To study games by more skilled players and try to really understand what's happening (optimal being discussing them with people who knows what they're talking about) is of course a very good way of improving your own chessing skills. It's the way I myself improve my games all the time.
The thing that REALLY, REALLY bugs me is when somebody posts that engines and databases are the same (comparable), so more clueless people reading it might think "Oh look, databases are allowed, and engines are the same as databases, that means I can use my engine to play on here. Yay!"
And I have no problem with people using databases while playing in this site, since it's allowed. I would be dissapointed if I find out that someone stating (s)he's not using databases, actually are, but that's not really relevant. Most of the members using databases freely admits it, and so there is no problem. It's just a game after all, and I might even learn something from it, indirectly.
I just said that from a purely principal point of view, the difference between a database and an engine is that the engine does all of the thinking for you, whereas a database (and books) gives you pretty good hints. Since it's allowed, it's nothing for me to whine about. But don't deny that if used while playing, they will all allow you to play on a level you really haven't reached.
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveI don't know. Maybe there are people who do feel guilty about it. Or they think you will not respect them if they tell you they are using a database, and they care about what you think about them. Or they are annoyed that you ask the question because they think it's none of your business. I find it stupid to lie about it, but people do a lot of stupid things.
I think it happens sometimes - maybe not a lot but there again I have no way of being [b]certain except for the few occasions where they later said they had used them.
Why do they lie about it?[/b]
Originally posted by stockenWhat does that last sentence mean exactly?? There's essentially unlimited time in CC whereas time is an important factor in OTB play. By taking more time than you would be allowed to in OTB play, are you being "allowed to play at a level you really haven't reached?" You're not allowed to play through variations on a side board or an analysis board in OTB, but you are in CC. Are you being "allowed to play at a level you really haven't reached"?
I seriously doubt that's the impression "more clueless" players got from my statement (assuming that's what you're talking about). I have absolutely no problem with using databases to learn more about chess. To study games by more skilled players and try to really understand what's happening (optimal being discussing them with people who knows what they're t ...[text shortened]... playing, they will all allow you to play on a level you really haven't reached.
CC is a somewhat different game than OTB and has always had slightly different rules. People use a CC site for different purposes; if someone wishes to play their games here the same way they would play in an OTB, they are free to do so. If someone wants to prep for OTB play by throughly studying opening lines (as I do), they're allowed to. I really don't see why anybody bothers to complain about databases or books; if you don't want to use them, don't. Why people think their opinion should overrule the traditional rules of CC I have no idea; if they don't like CC, there's plenty of places on the net to play timed chess that don't allow databases.