Originally posted by JeeSo because the Pope exercises his god given right to "Freedom of Speach" it is okay to kill Nuns in Sudan, threaten jihad and attack catholics.
And you could have been in Lebanon and havent done nothing to israel and still die, or in Afganistan, not having done anything to americans and still die.
I think if you turn off the news and just hang out with your muslims friends all that feeling will disapear and when you will hear somebody hooked to the news saying how muslims are bad, you will just laugh ting those sugary cookies. You'll get fat - for sure - but won't fall into the traps of media
Muslims need to grow up and become a lot more tolerant of the opinion of others.
It seems to me that until they can do that they do not deserve to share this planet with a civilised society.
See Thread 52402 for a possible solution.
Originally posted by Dragon FireWhy do you make a link with ONE nun kill and this all story.
So because the Pope exercises his god given right to "Freedom of Speach" it is okay to kill Nuns in Sudan, threaten jihad and attack catholics.
Can anyone actually die on this hurt without having a connection to it to Muslims.
Why don't you tell that the people diying in car accident are caused by Muslims too?
Just turn off the news and start to live, buddy, they are PAID to scare you to death so you get hooked to the media.
Originally posted by JeeThe Nun was murdered by Muslims in Sudan because she was a Catholic
Why do you make a link with ONE nun kill and this all story.
Can anyone actually die on this hurt without having a connection to it to Muslims.
Why don't you tell that the people diying in car accident are caused by Muslims too?
Just turn off the news and start to live, buddy, they are PAID to scare you to death so you get hooked to the media.
Wake up to reality. It is Muslims mudering in the name of their religion.
I accept than not all Muslims agree with these actions but it is time for all Muslims to stand up and condemn such actions because unfortunately they don't and we never hear them in the media.
By their silence they are implicated in these murders.
... and by the way it is Islam with their acts of terror that is trying to scare us all to death but they will fail and the wraith of God will come down upon such evil. There will be no virgins and no paradise for the suicide bombers.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Wake up to reality. It is Muslims mudering in the name of their religion.
You mean you were in charge of the investigation? you have first hand proof?
By their silence they are implicated in these murders.
Imam are condemning it all the time, but you are only watching the media that use 5 psychos and pretend this is the voice of islam
Like they show about ten people celabrating 9/11 in some arab country and said that this was the general attitude of the arab world to 9/11 when the large majority of them were mourning and condemning the attacks
Originally posted by JeeI saw videos of hundreds if not thousands cheering after 9/11.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
[b] Wake up to reality. It is Muslims mudering in the name of their religion.
You mean you were in charge of the investigation? you have first hand proof?
By their silence they are implicated in these murders.
Imam are condemning it all the time, but you are only watching the media that use 5 psychos a ...[text shortened]... the arab world to 9/11 when the large majority of them were mourning and condemning the attacks[/b]
That's a fact.
Originally posted by Dr Strangeloveyou mean thousand of people cheering at something and then O'Reily telling that it was about 9/11 ?
I saw videos of [b]hundreds if not thousands cheering after 9/11.
That's a fact.[/b]
I think you need to have a look at stuff like "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", shot by two irish guy, Kim Bartley et Donnacha O’Briain, to discover how much the people of the US are lied to.
With guys like Rumsfeld - I think - lying openy about not meeting some people that the two irish got on camera. About someone throwing an empty can and having the next day in the newspaper hold by the friends of the American that it was a proof that Chavez was using chemical weapons against his own people.
Just enlarge slightly the range of what you watch/read to know what's really happening out there
Look, there were "lies" about Iraq from both Bush and Blair although I believe both thought they were correct at the time but the majority of people in UK actually thought the war in Iraq was wrong. I don't know about the US but imagine a sizeable percentage are against the war. Similarly many here have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian plight but not when they commit acts of terrorism. Constantly attacking us and stirring up hatred in the streets of the Islamic world is not right and will not win the hearts and minds of the west.
What do Muslims do? Instead of excercising their democratic rights here thay vote Blair back into power in Muslim strongholds and attack innocent commuters on the London Underground, some of who were Muslim and many who are actually against the Iraq war.
... so what happens? The attitudes of tolerant people (like me) harden and we begin to hate the very thought of Islam and get very anti Muslim when in the past we were quite happy to accept them.
Is is time Muslims stopped trying to impose their culture on us. I can't do that if I go to an Islamic country where I must play by Islams rules. If you do not like our culture go back to where you came from otherwise embrace it and support your country and its culture before all else.
In the UK and the US we have a lot to be proud of in our fight for freedom, liberty and democracy. We will win this war, of that there is no doubt. We have right on our side! Those that preach hatred will be consigned to history. All moderate liberated Muslims can and should join us in fighting this evil - it need not compromise their religion.
Originally posted by Dragon Fireagree with you 100%
Look, there were "lies" about Iraq from both Bush and Blair although I believe both thought they were correct at the time but the majority of people in UK actually thought the war in Iraq was wrong. I don't know about the US but imagine a sizeable percentage are against the war. Similarly many here have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian plight but no uslims can and should join us in fighting this evil - it need not compromise their religion.
EDIT: agree only 99 % actually - dont ever talk about "the Muslims" or "the catholic" as if they were all like that - use instead "some people using Islam for their own personal purpose" that will be less disrespectfull and closer to the truth.
20% of the world is muslim, that's 1.2 billions person - dont judge them on a bunch of fanatic, please!
(1.2 billion versus "I saw videos of hundreds if not thousands cheering after 9/11."😉
If they were all like you describe them, all non-muslim will have been killed already!
Originally posted by JeeI'm pleased we don't really disagree on the fundamentals because it is the fundamentals that I believe the majority of decent people of all faiths subscribe to and it is those people (often referred to as the silent majority) who will win in the end.
agree with you 100%
EDIT: agree only 99 % actually - dont ever talk about "the Muslims" or "the catholic" as if they were all like that - use instead "some people using Islam for their own personal purpose" that will be less disrespectfull and closer to the truth.
20% of the world is muslim, that's 1.2 billions person - dont judge them on a bunch of fanati ...[text shortened]...
If they were all like you describe them, all non-muslim will have been killed already!
Religion seems to cause so many problems whether it is Islamic fundamentalism or the sectarian problems between Catholics and Protestants we had in Northern Ireland. I thought that most religions preached peace, love, understanding and tolerance. These actions convert people, murdering Nuns does not!
Originally posted by Dragon FireForget about that irrelevant nun story, it isnt related to anything and doesnt prove anything.
...murdering Nuns does not!
Talking about Ireland, I am sure you'll agree that there's way more problems with what the Ferns Report is about than about that isolate accident.