Originally posted by RagnorakHe was an electrician working in England for the past 3 years so I can assume he spoke English. London is a far cry from Sao Paulo's murder rate. Five bullets to the head was too extreme though. They wasted 3 bullets.
Pretend you're from a really dangerous city where you've seen maybe 50 people being gunned down in front of your eyes during your life. Pretend you don't speak English.
You're wandering somewhere one day, and suddenly there are what look like civilians pulling guns on you and screaming something that you don't understand... what are you going to do ...[text shortened]... unding. You should do some reading before throwing away your civil liberties so eagerly.
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Originally posted by KneverKnightIf the police have been trained to subdue people and then shoot them in the head then this is in itsself scandalous, suicide bombers have been active in this country for a fortnight. The police may have been ordered so to do, but this is not training it is orders. Had they been trained the training might have included looking to see if they had anything in their hands before opening fire. The police officer was probably a Scotland Yard detective with no specialist firearms training apart from some target practise, certainly not a specialist firearms officer.
Since when does police training involve subduing people and then shooting them in the head?
Since suicide bombers became operational.
, but had he he would have detonated it at the first sign of trouble.
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The mission of the suicide bomber is to detonate their device - in the station foyer would have been perfectly adequate. Obviously I cannot know for sure what the terrorists policy on this is - in the unlikely event that they have one, but by the time he was shot he'd had at least a minute to do some damage. Bear in mind that one of the suicide bombers devices went off - or rather failed to - in a station rather than on a train - it is sufficient to their purposes that the blast occurs.
The policy is stupid - so far it has caused the death of an innocent and failed to stop any terrorist outrages. The lucky thing is that the terrorists aren't very good at it - that is what stopped the events of the 7th repeating themselves on the 21st. Certainly not a shoot to kill policy - which is only likely to breed new recruits for the terror bosses.
Originally posted by Tirau DanThe blame for the current tension lies squarely at the door of George Bush and Tony Blair. You cannot wage war on Islam in the Middle East, and not expect war to reach your doorsteps.
The blame for the current tension is with the terrorist extremists anyone pointing at the police should put themselves behind the trigger for a few moments.
The fact that the police are actively attacking brown people with rucksacks at train stations, without public outcry, is testament to the quality of panic that Blair and Bush are producing which aids their quest to attack civil liberties, and turn Britain and America into fascistic police states.
Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
http://geekt.org/gopconstrm.mov
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Originally posted by dfm65A person of common sense. How refreshing. You get a rec from me.
pretend you're a cop in a city where several bombs have gone off on trains and buses in the last few weeks, killing and injuring scores. pretend someone emerges from a residence under investigation in connection with this. pretend he is wearing bulky clothing in summer and when challenged runs into a tube station and onto a train full of people. pretend you h ...[text shortened]... might rest his life on the one hand, and your own, his, and that of everyone else on the train.
Originally posted by LittleBearOh give me a break. The policemen not well trained? They were under "shoot to kill" orders for anyone acting suspicious. The person came out of a suspected terrorists house weraing a thick coat in the summertime and running away when the police told him to halt deserves what he got. You "chairborne" commandos amaze me. The cops shot him in the head 5 times because they were probably using ceramic type bullets used on airplanes to minimize the bullet exiting and killing some bystander. What do you want the police to do? Tell the terrorists to stop pretty please with sugar on top?🙄🙄
I want to keep my honest opinion clear and short.
This case stinks as a summary execution conducted by ill trained policemen. It's obvious, at least for me, that they didn't adhere to the doctrine they were teached in.
This kind of law enforcement personnel, having permission to kill, and not being experienced in this type of situations, are a real ...[text shortened]... fight against terrorism. And that is responsibility of the authorities.
Please wake up!
Originally posted by DeepThoughtThis is just speculation.
If the police have been trained to subdue people and then shoot them in the head then this is in itsself scandalous, suicide bombers have been active in this country for a fortnight. The police may have been ordered so to do, but this is not training it is orders. Had they been trained the training might have included looking to see if they had anythin ...[text shortened]... y not a shoot to kill policy - which is only likely to breed new recruits for the terror bosses.
You should step back and look again; the terrorists have managed to provoke a situation where your police felt compelled to kill a minority member of your population on suspicion. That poor guy was a victim of the aftershock of the bombings. So are you.
Originally posted by RagnorakThis is one of the stories from the BBC website, it has a picture of him, this guy was not particularly brown, he was pretty much white - either way he should still be breathing. We are all equally at risk from the police...
The fact that the police are actively attacking brown people with rucksacks at train stations, without public outcry, is testament to the quality of panic that Blair and Bush are producing which aids their quest to attack civil liberties, and turn Britain and America into fascistic police states.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4712061.stm
Don't worry my friend - there'll be an outcry. Starting with a peaceful vigil for the police's victim on Monday 6pm at Stockwell Underground station.
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Originally posted by slimjimsummer time in England = wet cold misarable weather.. come here and
Oh give me a break. The policemen not well trained? They were under "shoot to kill" orders for anyone acting suspicious. The person came out of a suspected terrorists house weraing a thick coat in the summertime and running away when the ...[text shortened]... ? Tell the terrorists to stop pretty please with sugar on top?🙄🙄
see for yourself..
the guy was Brazilian, most likely didn't understand what was being said.
the guy saw armed men, withOUT the police uniform, holding guns at
him and babbling some shyte.. if that was anyone whose anyone in
that situation, they would think its a robbery.
the guy was jumped on by all, they restrained him THEN fired FIVE bullets at him..
these bullets you say 'ceramic type'? so just to be sure that they won't
drill through the concrete and hit someone head on the other side of
the planet, they aimed the gun and fired at point blank!! FIVE times!!!
whats a dead "terrorist" is good for when if alive can give info to solve
the bigger puzzle?
one dead leaf is worthless.. there is a bigger tree to chop down.. get to
those roots before they spread deeper and take hold..
Originally posted by slimjimMoron: They were under "shoot to kill" orders for anyone acting suspicious.
Oh give me a break. The policemen not well trained? They were under "shoot to kill" orders for anyone acting suspicious. The person came out of a suspected terrorists house weraing a thick coat in the summertime and running away when the police told him to halt deserves what he got. You "chairborne" commandos amaze me. The cops shot him in the head 5 tim ...[text shortened]... t do you want the police to do? Tell the terrorists to stop pretty please with sugar on top?🙄🙄
I certainly doubt that those were their orders. As for the rest, you are assuming that the police's initial reports are 100% accurate when already some parts of it have been shown to be false. I know you don't care how many non-White people get killed, but maybe you could at least await the official investigation before handing out medals to police who killed a man who was guilty of no crime.
Originally posted by PeachyIt doesn't even have to be a language issue. If I would see men without uniforms holding guns at me and shouting, it's very likely I wouldn't understand a word of what they are shouting, no matter what language they were shouting in. And even if I understood the words, I might think it's a trick.
the guy was Brazilian, most likely didn't understand what was being said.
the guy saw armed men, withOUT the police uniform, holding guns at
him and babbling some shyte.. if that was anyone whose anyone in
that situation, they would thing its a robbery.
Originally posted by Nordlyswouldnt you stop and take them on? 🙂
It doesn't even have to be a language issue. If I would see men without uniforms holding guns at me and shouting, it's very likely I wouldn't understand a word of what they are shouting, no matter what language they were shouting in. And even if I understood the words, I might think it's a trick.
Originally posted by slimjim
Oh give me a break. The policemen not well trained? They were under "shoot to kill" orders for anyone acting suspicious. The person came out of a suspected terrorists house weraing a thick coat in the summertime and running away when the police told him to halt deserves what he got. You "chairborne" commandos amaze me. The cops shot him in the head 5 tim ...[text shortened]... t do you want the police to do? Tell the terrorists to stop pretty please with sugar on top?🙄🙄
Sorry. no ofense intended. but you are pretty bad informed.
I'll give you a break. Two, if you need it.
Using five ceramic bullets against the head of a pinned person on floor is ridiculous. Simply put. it is an execution.
I think you personally would have preferred hollow bullets.... One would be sufficient.
Your last comment makes me cry...
Protecting the life of a bystander? That's parhetic.
Who cares about one life if 50 could be have taken away if the poor man really ported a bomb in his body?
By the way the mossad has instructed the police to shoot bombers suspected persons to head. LOL.
A last nervous reflect, if the bomber has the detonator thing in his hand, can blow anything around him.
with all my due respect
Originally posted by Nordlys1: Jean Charles de Menezes leaves a house under surveillance and arrives at Stockwell station
It doesn't even have to be a language issue. If I would see men without uniforms holding guns at me and shouting, it's very likely I wouldn't understand a word of what they are shouting, no matter what language they were shouting in. And even if I understood the words, I might think it's a trick.
2: Witnesses say he vaults the automatic ticket barriers and heads for the platforms
3: He then ran down an escalator after being approached by up to 20 plain-clothed police officers and tried to board a train
4: He apparently refuses to obey police instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead
the very last paragraph in;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4712061.stm