Originally posted by NordlysThat is very true. Given the present climate in London, he could easily have mistaken these dudes with guns for terrorists. He may have thought they were going to kill him. Some say that the police panicked and were inexperienced in this kind of situation. I think, he too was taken aback a little by what unfolded. I am a bit confused in my opinion of what should and shouldn't have happened. Especially after reading the varying opinions here. There are a lot of grey areas. All I can say though is that my thoughts are with this man and his family. 🙁
It doesn't even have to be a language issue. If I would see men without uniforms holding guns at me and shouting, it's very likely I wouldn't understand a word of what they are shouting, no matter what language they were shouting in. And even if I understood the words, I might think it's a trick.
Originally posted by slimjimThey wasted 3 bullets.
He was an electrician working in England for the past 3 years so I can assume he spoke English. London is a far cry from Sao Paulo's murder rate. Five bullets to the head was too extreme though. They wasted 3 bullets.
It would maybe take 5 through your thick skull: THE GUY WASN'T A BOMBER!!
Clear?
Originally posted by slimjimYou make it sound like this guy actually deserved what he got. You shrug it off with some casual joke? You are no better than the bombers themselves.
He was an electrician working in England for the past 3 years so I can assume he spoke English. London is a far cry from Sao Paulo's murder rate. Five bullets to the head was too extreme though. They wasted 3 bullets.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtactually, they have been so trained:
[b]If the police have been trained to subdue people and then shoot them in the head then this is in itsself scandalous, suicide bombers have been active in this country for a fortnight. [b]
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050723/325/fo176.html
the reason they were trained in how to deal with suicide bombers is because those charged with protecting the populace from such foresaw that they might need such training one day. that day has come.
Originally posted by dfm65As I already stated in this thread, the policemen in this case acted as "law enforcers/judges/executioners". Pity your flaming attention span can't keep up.
by your own definition, it wasn't an execution, as it wasn't 'putting to death as fulfillment of a judicial death sentence'.
is that simple enough?
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Originally posted by dfm65I was personally responsible for crushing that idea?
i bet you're wishing you hadn't squashed the 'disturbing' button idea put forward by fmr now...
I'm outspoken on many occasions, but I can't even start here so it's better I just hold my tongue. Suffice it to say that rules and regulations based on morals that come at the exspense of human life is appalling to me.
Originally posted by Ragnorakthey acted as law enforcers. to claim they acted as executioners is to beg the question - a simple logical fault. they did not act as judges in the sense required by the definition. you are being either incredibly thick or disingenuous.
As I already stated in this thread, the policemen in this case acted as "law enforcers/judges/executioners". Pity your flaming attention span can't keep up.
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Originally posted by KneverKnightI am not the victim of any aftershock. Frankly I was more traumatised by the September the 11th attack and that is because I made the mistake of listening to the media about it for too long. I am lucky enough to work from home and therefore have relatively little chance of being killed by a terrorist bomb in the underground since they seem to go for rush hour traffic. I am also white so I'm unlikely to be mistaken for an Islamic terrorist by the police. I have to use the underground and busses to get around and need to go for meetings occasionally - so maybe I could be unlucky, but I am damned if I am going to change anything in my life either in fear of the terrorists or in fear of the police.
This is just speculation.
You should step back and look again; the terrorists have managed to provoke a situation where your police felt compelled to kill a minority member of your population on suspicion. That poor guy was a victim of the aftershock of the bombings. So are you.
In my judgement, based on the available evidence, the police acted unlawfully. It was an illegal killing. The fact that this was policy makes it worse. I want to see the resignations of the Home Secretary and the Chief Constable of the Metropolitan Police. I want to see criminal charges brought for manslaughter due to negligence against the policemen who killed him - they should have been able to see that he had nothing in his hands; and I think the same charges could be brought against the senior officers and planners who thought that a "shoot to kill" policy would be a good idea.