Originally posted by FreakyKBHThe artificial drag which you speak of is the catalyst which forms the infastructure utilized by corporations. Business as we know it could not happen with out bridges and roads, nor would we be able to supply the neccessary labor for industry without a well educated work force (thank you public education). The framers of our country knew full well the value of taxes. In fact they were not against taxes, just against the idea of taxation without elected representation. Read a book.
While there are certainly elements of economics that are fascinating, I think the area that needs to be researched is history, and that the student should be you.
The very formation of this country's government was in response to the encroaching enslavement of the many by the decree of the few. Although the taxation occurring then is nothing com ...[text shortened]... Neither of them offer anything beyond entertainment for their like-minded following of dolts.
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Originally posted by monster truckCorporations are by the far the biggest recievers of benefits from the "welfare state". In fact, the recent decision from the supreme court that upholds corporate rights as the same as the individuals rights highlights this nicely. They will be able to poor billions of dollars into elections, shaping the outcome, yet they (the corps.) pay taxes at a rate far below personal income due to the offshore HQ's they set up. If they paid taxes at the rates they should, you and I wouldn't have to pay taxes at all.
Yeah, between the greedy corps and the welfare state, what's a poor girl to do?😉
Originally posted by duecerCorporate welfare is indeed a problem.
Corporations are by the far the biggest recievers of benefits from the "welfare state". In fact, the recent decision from the supreme court that upholds corporate rights as the same as the individuals rights highlights this nicely. They will be able to poor billions of dollars into elections, shaping the outcome, yet they (the corps.) pay taxes at a rate far ...[text shortened]... p. If they paid taxes at the rates they should, you and I wouldn't have to pay taxes at all.
However, the recent court ruling wasn't equating corps with indviduals to the best of my knowledge. It was about upholding the 2nd amendment. Censorship in any form for whatever 'cause' is wrong. Period.
Please correct me if I'm wrong and it says somewhere in the ruling that corps=individuals.
Originally posted by monster truck2nd amendment? the right to bear arms? It was the first amnedment, and they shredded the campaign finance reform laws. Money does not equal free speach. If all "men" are created equal, then why should one persons opinion be more valuable, or given more weight becuase they have more money? This was a disaster for Joe Sixpack
Corporate welfare is indeed a problem.
However, the recent court ruling wasn't equating corps with indviduals to the best of my knowledge. It was about upholding the 2nd amendment. Censorship in any form for whatever 'cause' is wrong. Period.
Please correct me if I'm wrong and it says somewhere in the ruling that corps=individuals.
Originally posted by duecerLOL.
2nd amendment? the right to bear arms? It was the first amnedment, and they shredded the campaign finance reform laws. Money does not equal free speach. If all "men" are created equal, then why should one persons opinion be more valuable, or given more weight becuase they have more money? This was a disaster for Joe Sixpack
I've been hopscotching around between amendments too much.
Thanks for the correction.
The money or ability to put forth a message does not make the opinion more valuable. Along with the right to free speech comes the duty to listen and think for oneself. I know that's alot to ask of some folks.😉
Originally posted by monster truckthe problem with that is corporations can drown us with advertizing and the little guy never gets heard
LOL.
I've been hopscotching around between amendments too much.
Thanks for the correction.
The money or ability to put forth a message does not make the opinion more valuable. Along with the right to free speech comes the duty to listen and think for oneself. I know that's alot to ask of some folks.😉
Originally posted by SuzianneNot sure where you're going with this one, but I'm certain you agree that not everyone works for a corporation, so you're retort is of limited use in that regard.
You conveniently forget that the artificial inflation caused by the greed of Corporations keeps you working for them all twelve months of the year.
Moreover, it is my pursuit of happiness (land) that is expressly protected--- however I choose to pursue such, be it via a corporation (which shoulders the largest amount of risk in the venture) or through other entities is also a choice I am allowed to make.
If I considered the gains of my corporation disproportionate to their risk, it is within my power to pursue avenues of persusasion in order to effect change within the framework of its governing bodies.
The same holds true for our government.
Originally posted by duecerYou continue to harp upon bridges and roads, as though their underwriting came from income taxes. Apparently the book reading isn't doing you much good.
The artificial drag which you speak of is the catalyst which forms the infastructure utilized by corporations. Business as we know it could not happen with out bridges and roads, nor would we be able to supply the neccessary labor for industry without a well educated work force (thank you public education). The framers of our country knew full well the value ...[text shortened]... ot against taxes, just against the idea of taxation without elected representation. Read a book.
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Originally posted by monster truckMay we still quote celeberties? After all, their opinions are the most valueble. I only buy products and vote based on how my favoite actor or singer tells me to.
I beg you to desist in the use of facts in this forum!
Broad generalizations or weakly supported opines only!ðŸ˜