What a bloody farce, where do I start? Perhaps I should point out who got in last year first:
FIVE CHOSEN BY THE PANEL:
Elvis Presley An American was the first person ever inducted... quelle surpise...
The Beatles
Bob Marley
Madonna A founder member? WTF?
U2You are joking? A founder member? Christ!
FIVE CHOSEN BY THE PUBLIC:
Cliff Richard and The ShadowsNo really, stop it, you're killing me
The Rolling StonesOkay, but what about The Who or Floyd?
Queen Don't get me wrong, I like Queen, or at least before Mercury died, but they should surely be further down the list no?
Michael Jackson Ahahahahaha
Robbie Williams Who voted for this cr@p? Do the public have any taste at all?
Okay, so we've already established that both the panel and the public have thought about this for all of five seconds. But, it's the first year, perhaps they'll improve, afterall it's not an easy decision to make.
So, this year's inductions:
Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, The Eurythmics, Joy Division/New Order, The Kinks, Pink Floyd, The Who, Black Sabbath.
Okay, Bob Dylan I don't have a problem with, not my sort of music really, but he earned his place, despite the fact that I think he's a parody of himself nowadays. If he'd been shot in the 80s I think it would have been a lot better for everyone.
The fact that Jimi Hendrix was inducted this year instead of last is a joke. This is possibly the most influential, groundbreakingly innovative guitarist the world has ever seen and you pass him up for Maddona, U2 and some fat burger-stand of a man. Sigh... Slash's guitar tribute to him was ruined by the demented timeless rhythm of some escaped lunatic they let out to play the drums. Who? None other than Mitch Mitchell, Hendrix's original drummer. Dear oh dear oh dear, more evidence that all legendary groups should be killed upon reaching 50, thereby ensuring they don't become sad empty shadows.
The Eurythmics, well, despite listening to the laughable claim that Dave Stewart is one of the finest guitarists that britain has ever produced, I didn't have too much of a problem.
Joy Division/New Order. Umm.... yeah... Joy Division, great band, intense bleak, chilling, the sort of extremems a band should be. New Order, umm... a bunch of ageing alcoholic ex-drug takers who still can't play after 20 years. See, kill off a band member and the band retains its status, get old, get cr@p.
The Kinks, at last! A reasonable choice, someone out of those 60 lackwits from the music industry that make up the panel must actually have a tiny amount of realistic taste. Maybe there's hope yet...
Pink Floyd, deserved, though I feel only the fact that they all hate each other keeps them from going on my euthanasia list. The moment I hear they're reforming and have got all chummy again, I'm going round with a rifle.
The Who, yes! Pete Townsend finally does what bands should do. He comes on and slaps the audience out of their Dermot O'Leary smarm induced coma and points out that it's a TV SHOW!! We don't even have a Hall of Fame. It doesn't exist! How can you have a Hall of Fame if you don't have a f"cking hall??? Ack! (also, two band members dead, much respect retained) Are things improving?
Black Sabbath, ahh... no... obviousy not... Ozzy Osbourne is a posterboy for euthanasia, he can't sing, he can't walk properly, he can't control any of his muscles without going into small convulsive fits and he's about as dark as Barbie and twice as plastic. That aside, Black Sabbath probably deserve their induction into the UK Music TV show of Fame, but did they have to play? And did the geriatric Prince of Alzheimers have to do a solo tune beforehand?
Woody Harelson presented an award, umm... why? Alanis Morisette did a tribute to Bob Dylan, not only was she reading the lyrics off autocue, but she had to play that bloody harmonic even worse than Dylan himself! New Order were better before they stopped taking drugs. In fact, the Eurythmics were the only decent performace and I'm not even a fan.
All in all it was an attrocious media event and listening to all the film segments on the bands by other famous musicians reminded me that music is dead in this country. There's no life, no desire, it's all pap, music industry tailored and pre-packaged to make money by attracting 12 year olds. The only thing that saved the show was the lifetime award to John Peel, thank hell. I mean when was the last time a band with both the musical ability and the raw passion of The Who came along? The british music listening public wouldn't know raw passion if it came along and slapped them in the face. You get told what to listen to, you get told how good each band is and you sit back and see which of them are missing from your industry catalogue CD collection before rushing out to Virgin Megastore to buy it for what? 13 quid these days? Balls! Please, if in the unlikely event I ever get famous, can someone remind me to electrocute myself on stage whilst trying to eat a flaming crash cymbal, before I lose it and embarass everything I hold dear?
I'm off to shut myself in my bedroom and listen to Leonard Cohen :'(😞ðŸ˜
Black Sabbath is one of the greatest bands ever produced by the UK. And I am a firm believer that contributions from the past outweigh the sins of the present. Ozzy is his wife's puppet now, however that does not take away the fact that Sabbath does and always will rock my face off.
But you're still right, it's all crap. What do you expect from the UK? You guys have had horrible taste in music for decades. Everytime I see an NME, I feel like vomiting.
Originally posted by StarrmanGreat post!
What a bloody farce, where do I start? Perhaps I should point out who got in last year first:
FIVE CHOSEN BY THE PANEL:
Elvis Presley [b]An American was the first person ever inducted... quelle surpise...
The Beatles
Bob Marley
Madonna A founder member? WTF?
U2You are joking? A founder member? Christ!
FIVE CHOSEN BY THE PUBLIC ...[text shortened]... thing I hold dear?
I'm off to shut myself in my bedroom and listen to Leonard Cohen :'(😞😠[/b]
Although I disagree with you on various levels.
Did you know, by the way, that Leonard Cohen started out as a stand-up comedian. Yeah. It cracked me up anyways.
Originally posted by StarrmanSheesh, thank gawd I didn't bother watching it.
What a bloody farce, where do I start? Perhaps I should point out who got in last year first:
FIVE CHOSEN BY THE PANEL:
Elvis Presley [b]An American was the first person ever inducted... quelle surpise...
The Beatles
Bob Marley
Madonna A founder member? WTF?
U2You are joking? A founder member? Christ!
FIVE CHOSEN BY THE PUBLIC ...[text shortened]... thing I hold dear?
I'm off to shut myself in my bedroom and listen to Leonard Cohen :'(😞😠[/b]
I must say I agree on virtually everything you've said.
I've got a dvd of Leonard Cohen doing a stand up routine from when he started off years and years ago, he was pretty funny I thought. [mind you, I like his music anyway so I'm biased]
Originally posted by StarrmanI have little time, but:
I'm up for debate, please feel free to disagree.
I think the most influential musicians should get in first:
Dylan (who started 3 music waves).
Elvis (who brought rock and roll to the masses, although if I was going to put a first-wave rock and roller in, I would also settle for Buddy Holly, who was ultimately far finer).
The Beatles (although, granted, they should all have been shot in 1971).
Madonna (hate or loath her...hey, wait a minute...oh well, said is said...she is an icon of change and has inspired many young artists of today).
The Sex pistols (obviously being the band that brought punk mainstream, however I could easily settle for Janis Joplin, The Velvet Underground, The dead Kennedies or even the bloody Ramones, to take their place as the originators or the best of the genre).
I think if you're looking at the basis for "hardrock music" you would be best to pop Led Zeppelin or the Who in their (EDIT: in 'their' what? Obviously that's supposed to read: there. So there, Bowmann, no need to get all itchy) . Black Sabbath was okay, but it certainly wasn't the root or the best.
The whole indy pop scene thing: The Stone Roses
Then you would move down the list to: The best at what they do.
Hendrix, Floyd, Tom Waits, Michael Jackson, Metallica (god forgive), etc.
BUT NOWHERE, and I mean NOWHERE, should Cliff Richard's name appear ANYWHERE...
EDIT EDIT: Sorry. I have a dirty taste in my mouth. Please remove Metallica and replace with Iron Maiden or Britney Spears.
Madonna (hate or loath her...hey, wait a minute...oh well, said is said...she is an icon of change and has inspired many young artists of today).
Fool. Icon of change? She should not even be considered "rock" music. If you really want an icon of change in the Hall of Fame, look no further than David Bowie. That would be the respectable choice.
The Sex pistols (obviously being the band that brought punk mainstream, however I could easily settle for Janis Joplin, The Velvet Underground, The dead Kennedies or even the bloody Ramones, to take their place as the originators or the best of the genre).
This is the first I've ever heard that Janis Joplin helped originate punk music. That's quite an interesting theory. Regardless, I agree with the Pistols getting their due. Along with VU, The Bloody Ramones, The Kinks, The Stooges, New York Dolls and others being the big punk originators.
I think if you're looking at the basis for "hardrock music" you would be best to pop Led Zeppelin or the Who in their (EDIT: in 'their' what? Obviously that's supposed to read: there. So there, Bowmann, no need to get all itchy) . Black Sabbath was okay, but it certainly wasn't the root or the best.
Zeppelin, yes (even though they don't write their own music). The Who, no. Although ambitious and musically talented, their music is vapid and uninteresting. Sabbath, effing obviously. Groundbreaking artists who defined what "Hard Rock" is.
The whole indy pop scene thing: The Stone Roses
Another horribly overrated band that give no meaning to the word Indie. The bands in the '80's who carved a niche for themselves and hundreds of other bands after them without the help of any corporate money are: Sonic Youth, Black Flag, Beat Happening, Husker Du, Minor Threat, Dinosaur Jr., The Minutemen, Mission of Burma, etc. etc. All the great bands who inspired all the relevant music of today that barely anybody has heard of, amazingly still.
Originally posted by darvlayYou guys don't even know about the really great music the UK
Black Sabbath is one of the greatest bands ever produced by the UK. And I am a firm believer that contributions from the past outweigh the sins of the present. Ozzy is his wife's puppet now, however that does not take away the fact that Sabbath does and always will rock my face off.
But you're still right, it's all crap. What do you expect from the ...[text shortened]... uys have had horrible taste in music for decades. Everytime I see an NME, I feel like vomiting.
produces, thats the folkies, like June Prior, Pentangle (Bert Jansch,
Jaqui McShee, John Renbourne, etc., Richard Thompson(Ever hear
the song Black Lightning 1952, thats the name not the year)
You give short shrift to the true genius of your own country and
applaud the rock shclokers. People like Martin Simpson, a true
guitar virtuoso, Martin Carthy, Aly Bain, Blue Murder. You probably
have no idea what I am talking about but if you want to hear the
real music of the UK, try googling them in and listen to them.