Originally posted by EcstremeVenomyeah it's a shame, hence you get attitudes like the ones on the previous page. i really take offense to it, since they're lumping utter drivel with some really great music. it's like if i saw one really nerdy chess player, and thought, "gee, all chess players must be nerds with no lives!".
yeah, not many people listen to real rap anymore
Originally posted by slickhareno reason to take offense to it, the masses are not always right.
yeah it's a shame, hence you get attitudes like the ones on the previous page. i really take offense to it, since they're lumping utter drivel with some really great music. it's like if i saw one really nerdy chess player, and thought, "gee, all chess players must be nerds with no lives!".
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Originally posted by SALADINGonna check that, thanks!
Bro.. also check out wwww.muslimhiphop.com. Theres some heavy stuff there, like blakestone.... old skool political hiphop
There has been some action indeed on the last page.
I love the bit "I don't like rap music", same thing that "I don't like Mangas" or I don't like "Frank Zappa" or "Classical music".
Dr S., gotta say that there's such a variety in there that there's surely some bit you will like, that even your mom will like. You probably don't have a clear view on what has been done.
I remember when going on HH gigs, you knew it was a good one if you had once and then a old' ma singing some good ol' rai in swali or persan. Those songs were from the late 50's and the root of rap.
Rap - the fact to talk over music - that's something that was there already in the 13th century. So yeah, Dr, just be carefull to talk about rap and not the 5 same crappy "yo bi-tch" song you heard by accident.
Rap is just a mode of expression and so is any part of HH.
It always depends only of what you do with it!
I'll add that it's quiet close to stand up comedy as well - it's a one to one thing, you and your lyrics and the audiance there. It's live and direct, it works or not, can't hide anything. Again in the good ol' days after two or three songs, the audience was on stage, a little bit like the punk days. Pure energy bouncing from singer to audience.
Off course you might prefer to sit, listen and applaude gently, and I got no problem with that neither.
The two artists I listen to all the time are IT and John Coltrane, I find in it the same thing in very different ways.
Just don't close the door to anything, man!
Peace
EDIT: aint a music for black or white rich or poor - just a mode of expression for the left overs, the voiceless, those who cares and worry for here and now.
Originally posted by Jee1) When rap is talked about, that is exactly what we rap haters are talking about - the yo-bitch gankster crap with the identical backing track..
1)Rap - the fact to talk over music - that's something that was there already in the 13th century. So yeah, Dr, just be carefull to talk about rap and not the 5 same crappy "yo bi-tch" song you heard by accident.
2)Dr S., gotta say that there's such a variety in there that there's surely some bit you will like, that even your mom will like.
I like some poetic type talk/songs - particularly the likes of John Cooper Clarke, who you probably wouldn't have heard of.
[even Dylan and Leonard Cohen]
2) Haha - My mother thought the Rolling Stones should've been banned for singing "let's spend the night together". I somehow don't imagine she would've liked rap.
If you like it - good luck to you. I don't. 😞😛
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Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveI love it when people try to prove how ignorant I am. I know your bard guy, I found it uterly boring. There's something about english-guys-who-think-they-are-poet and get everyone to sleep after two sentences. Same comment for Cohen 😴, and Dylan had the misluck to have survived the massacre of 1971 (death of Morrisson, Hendrix, Joplin). ANyway those two first are even pathetic lyric-wise when you compare them to, let's say just the french-Ferre-Brel-Brassens from the same time. Those are published and study now at school.
1) When rap is talked about, that is exactly what we rap haters are talking about - the yo-bitch gankster crap with the identical backing track..
I like some poetic type talk/songs - particularly the likes of John Cooper Clarke, who you probably wouldn't have heard of.
[even Dylan and Leonard Cohen]
2) Haha - My mother thought the Rolling 't imagine she would've liked rap.
If you like it - good luck to you. I don't. 😞😛
If you wanna talk about some style, get some Bukowsky too, Clarke wont even dare to be in the same room as Charlie. Then you got someone like Tom waits which is funny and a great songwriter and a great showman and had a range of diversity that isn't finish yet.
And even if there is some good ones, they will have a hard time to compete with someone like Nick Drake, because they don't have anything intersting in their voice and secondly because they think they are witty and laugh at their own jokes. Dunno one single songwritter that doesnt start with Drake when asked why they once took a guitar and start writting songs.
At least I listen to everything, and don't assume that something is crap because it doesnt fit in my frame of mind.
I'll make a demo tape for your mom and sent it over there, she'll probably have more sense than you 😉
There's still something like "yo-bitch gankster" rap? wow keep the tape dude, that should be worth a fortune!