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  1. 24 Nov '07 22:07
    i have bought a chess program... cant remember what its called.. grandmaster i think... anyway.... just played it about 15 times, each time removing his rooks at the start and replacing my rooks with queens.... his rating about 2200+.... beaten me everytime...!

    you gotta give credit to the program for that...
  2. 24 Nov '07 22:12 / 1 edit
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    seconded! I would expect with those conditions to be beaten by a super GM maybe once every ten times(probably less) not an engine rated 2200.
  3. 24 Nov '07 22:16 / 1 edit
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    Of course! with the conditions he stated you could make almost any moves during the game like sacking a couple queens for an attack and still be winning... yet he looses every time!
  4. 24 Nov '07 22:34
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    seconded! I would expect with those conditions to be beaten by a super GM maybe once every ten times(probably less) not an engine rated 2200.
    How would you know? Have you ever played a super GM? And how many Master players have you played and won (or drawn) with?

    Also, chess engines are notoriously difficult to estimate the rating of. All the posted said was that the rating was "2200+" (note the plus) -- he didn't seem very familiar with the software, so it might play at a considerably higher level.

    My real point here, however, is not to assess the remarks of the original poster, but to point out how very crude and pointlessly hostile the previous forum responses were.
  5. 24 Nov '07 22:37
    Originally posted by Mark Adkins
    How would you know? Have you ever played a super GM? And how many Master players have you played and won (or drawn) with?

    Also, chess engines are notoriously difficult to estimate the rating of. All the posted said was that the rating was "2200+" (note the plus) -- he didn't seem very familiar with the software, so it might play at a considerably h ...[text shortened]... r, but to point out how very crude and pointlessly hostile the previous forum responses were.
    he had two extra queens and the computer had no rooks that is a 28 point difference there probably is a forced mate that shouldn't be too hard to find after 15 tries at it.
  6. 24 Nov '07 22:44
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    Maybe so. I just found this:

    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=81250

    Next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.
  7. 24 Nov '07 22:47
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    he had two extra queens and the computer had no rooks that is a 28 point difference there probably is a forced mate that shouldn't be too hard to find after 15 tries at it.
    He didn't have two extra queens, he replaced his rooks with queens. So his advantage was 20 pawns at most. (Although that's still a big advantage.)
  8. 24 Nov '07 22:53
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    Cool, I'll remember to pile on when I can safely do so.
  9. 24 Nov '07 22:54
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    He didn't have two extra queens, he replaced his rooks with queens. So his advantage was 20 pawns at most. (Although that's still a big advantage.)
    but the computer also did not have his rooks
  10. 24 Nov '07 22:58
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    but the computer also did not have his rooks
    Yes, so he got approximately 8 extra pawns for transforming his rooks into queens, plus 10 because the computer didn't have rooks.
  11. 24 Nov '07 23:03
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    Yes, so he got approximately 8 extra pawns for transforming his rooks into queens, plus 10 because the computer didn't have rooks.
    I was wrong then its still a 12 pawn deficit 21 pawns equivalent on the first rank for the computer and 33 pawns equivalent on the first rank for the person.
  12. 24 Nov '07 23:06
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    I was wrong then its still a 12 pawn deficit 21 pawns equivalent on the first rank for the computer and 33 pawns equivalent on the first rank for the person.
    18, not 12; and 39, not 33.
  13. 24 Nov '07 23:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    I was wrong then its still a 12 pawn deficit 21 pawns equivalent on the first rank for the computer and 33 pawns equivalent on the first rank for the person.
    Try again.

    Edit - Think about it for a second. The only difference in piece count between the player and the computer is that the player has 2 extra queens. What's the value of 2 queens? (It depends on whether you use the Reinfeld values or the Kaufman values.)
  14. 24 Nov '07 23:18
    Originally posted by Nordlys
    18, not 12; and 39, not 33.
    I will just shut-up now as I can't seem to count at the moment.
  15. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    24 Nov '07 23:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by eatmybishop
    i have bought a chess program... cant remember what its called.. grandmaster i think... anyway.... just played it about 15 times, each time removing his rooks at the start and replacing my rooks with queens.... his rating about 2200+.... beaten me everytime...!

    you gotta give credit to the program for that...
    Fritz won't let me start with such a position as it is clearly impossible, unless I remove 2 pawns as well. When that is done it rates the stronger side as +17.75 so with the 2 extra pawns I would make that +19.75.

    I played Fritz at its top level and it resigned after 4 moves.

    I would expect to beat Kramnik with such an advantage.