Grintzi was Banned

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I never understood his banning because I also can't beat engines yet in Game 2211536 I apparently did.

This was his first loss so did he only start using an engine after this and, if so, he was rated at least 1800-2000 without an engine so why?

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I might be wrong but I suspect that for each player who submits quality analysis on a suspected cheater there are a hundred who submit spurious claims and working through all these is what takes the time and delays things.

I even read and receive PMs accusing 1500s of using an engine and we both know that if you are playing at that level you are not using an engine or you are using such a bad one it is irrelevant. If you are using the chess engine that comes with Vista I don't really care as, so far, I have beaten it every time.

Originally posted by eldragonfly
stretching the envelope, those aren't realistic down to earth solutions.

Originally posted by no1marauder
This is a false choice. No one is asking to ban suspected cheats on "flimsy" evidence. What we are asking that the same standards that have been applied in the past - overwhelming evidence beyond a reasonable doubt - be applied NOW. ...[text shortened]... is favor of banning cheats once their guilt is sufficiently established.

OK guys, I'm not 100% serious here. Just trying to show what a hard job the mods have and trying to be a bit sarcastic in the process.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
OK guys, I'm not 100% serious here. Just trying to show what a hard job the mods have and trying to be a bit sarcastic in the process.

That makes sense, maybe the sarcasm wasn't misplaced as so many here do make this very point.

Is there a good place that explains "3b" or like an more advanced FAQ for banning violations, or forum ettiquette? Is it on one of the other sister sites?

I have a buddy who got recently banned, and he doesn't know why. His official explanation was that he was playing "fake games". I don't hang out here in the forums much, so my limited research looks like he wasn't a 'sandbagger', and I'm pretty sure he was not using a simulator. He did say that 95% of his games were tourney games. ...

If you have specific questions, send me a message. Otherwise, if there's a list of official bannible offenses/behaiviors, please point me the way.

Thanks!!

Originally posted by Garmana
Is there a good place that explains "3b" or like an more advanced FAQ for banning violations, or forum ettiquette? Is it on one of the other sister sites?

I have a buddy who got recently banned, and he doesn't know why. His official explanation was that he was playing "fake games". I don't hang out here in the forums much, so my limited research look ...[text shortened]... list of official bannible offenses/behaiviors, please point me the way.

Thanks!!

3b refers to the contract every user agrees to by joining in, the 'terms of service'.

http://www.redhotpawn.com/myhome/termsofservice.php



3(b) While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party. Endgame tablebases may not be consulted during play but you may reference books, databases consisting of previously played games between human players, and other pre-existing research materials.

Originally posted by Garmana
Is there a good place that explains "3b" or like an more advanced FAQ for banning violations, or forum ettiquette? Is it on one of the other sister sites?

I have a buddy who got recently banned, and he doesn't know why. His official explanation was that he was playing "fake games". I don't hang out here in the forums much, so my limited research look ...[text shortened]... list of official bannible offenses/behaiviors, please point me the way.

Thanks!!

Whats his name? Then we might just be able to tell you why!

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Whats his name? Then we might just be able to tell you why!

Maybe it was ths guy.

User 414759

So apparently someone is banning people again.

Originally posted by Lundos
Maybe it was ths guy.

User 414759

So apparently someone is banning people again.

I love it when people apply themselves and learn. The improvement from Game 4516270 to now is awesome and just shows what a little dedication and studying can do to your play.

I tell everyone, "Practice! Practice! Practice! and you too can improve like this!"

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
I love it when people apply themselves and learn. The improvement from Game 4516270 to now is awesome and just shows what a little dedication and studying can do to your play.

I tell everyone, "Practice! Practice! Practice! and you too can improve like this!"

Nice. The PGN for that game gives a date of January '08. That's what I call rapid improvement.

Originally posted by Lundos
Maybe it was ths guy.

User 414759

So apparently someone is banning people again.

Good.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
The improvement from Game 4516270 to now is awesome and just shows what a little dedication and studying can do to your play.

Well... I was hoping to privately identify him via messaging, but yeah, Lundos has correctly identified him.

I am not 100% sure that he's not cheating, but a group of us joined RHP from another message board, to form a little mini 'league', he claims innocence, and I don't know why on earth he would bother to cheat. ... were all a little perplexed.

A 'little dedication and study' sounds a tiny bit sarcastic. 😉 I'm still wondering why he was banned. If there was an sequence that screams out "cheater", at least we can tell the guy what he was doing.

Thanks for the responses. Like I said, we're just trying to figure out why he was banned.

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His was a banning that surprised me. From my games against him I never got a feeling I was playing Fritz but I also felt he was a reasonsbly strong player (1800+) and seemed a nice genuine guy.

Its the reasonably strong players (circa 1800-2000) who then start using Fritz to get to 2300 that really surprise me because if you are that level a bit of legitimate effort may very well get you to 2100-2200 by perfectly fair means.

Other people I've played (Dixie Guy and Cypher Oz come to mind) I felt during the game that I was playing an engine (every move was simply perfect taking advantage of my slightest mistake) so when they subsequently got banned I expected it.

Interestingly I had 2 players who played almost perfectly but made 1 or 2 errors that I capitalised on, who as soon as they started losing in a game accused me of being an engine. One of them went on to beat me in both games still making his accusations whilst the other stopped moving although he was certainly winning one of our 2 games. Both then disappeared from the site and surprisingly when I later ran the games through Fritz their match up was far higher than mine.