Now look at the Kramnik's team letter ......
"............The Kramnik team received the mentioned decision a few hours before the start of game 5 and was officially informed about the protest of Mr. Topalov only yesterday evening, 10 p.m., 28 September 2006. "
We have been discussing Topalov's concerns all day long "They didn't know about that"
About the other one
..........The relevant clause in contract of Mr. Kramnik expels: “FIDE shall provide a rest room and toilette for the players during the WCC match in the playing hall and close to the stage (if possible backstage) to be equipped with a live monitor furnished with coffee and tea as well as with light refreshments.”..........
It calls for putting refreshments not in the BATH ROOMS but in the relaxation rooms.
I don't see anything wrong here.
.............The reasons that Mr. Kramnik is entering his own bathroom often is simple: The restroom is small and Mr. Kramnik likes to walk and therefore uses the space of the bathroom as well. The Appeals Committee has been informed about the issue before they decided. It should also be mentioned that Mr. Kramnik has to drink a lot of water during the games. ...........
Ha, ha what an excuse. He might have hired an american lawyer. LOL
I am just curious if Kramnik walked during all his chess games before this match between the relaxation rooms and the bathrooms.
Where they play the match they might have really big Bathrooms so Kramnik can do some walking between and inside them.
Here comes something realy fishy from Kramniks team:
...We do not think that the Topalov team has any right of getting access to the recordings. This shall be job of the nominated arbiters only. .........
If you are not cheating why refuse the access to the recordings?
I think they should be available to the chess world as well. I would like to know the TRUTH. Even Bill Clinton was caught lying (not to mention Bush LOL)
Now comes something a bit funny.
......The Topalov team includes a parapsychologist and more people which are obviously having no other tasks as to distract and to insult Mr. Kramnik.....
This gave me a good laugh.
Originally posted by Los AngelesInteresting. Your IQ is only slightly lower than the number of moves you've played on RHP.
Now look at the Kramnik's team letter ......
"............The Kramnik team received the mentioned decision a few hours before the start of game 5 and was officially informed about the protest of Mr. Topalov only yesterday evening, 10 p.m., 28 September 2006. "
We have been discussing Topalov's concerns all day long "They didn't know about that" ...[text shortened]... other tasks as to distract and to insult Mr. Kramnik.....
This gave me a good laugh.
Here we go again:
Apologies requested:
Last but not least Mr. Kramnik believes that Mr. Danailov should apologize to Mr. Kramnik in writing. Remarks such as:
“If the match were to continue, the World Champion will refrain from shaking hands with Mr. Kramnik before the games and will not take part in joint press conferences with him.” and “Veselin Topalov is disturbed by the suspicious behavior of his opponent Mr. Vladimir Kramnik who takes his most significant decisions in the bathroom.” are clearly insulting."
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3378
Originally posted by leisurelyslothSierawan: Veselin Topalov followed the proper channels of protocol to lodge a complaint, and his complaint was upheld. It was the Appeals Committee which over-reacted, exceeded its authority and failed to respect the contract signed by FIDE.
Alternatively, if Kramnik is telling the truth and he does need to drink a lot of water (and thus make a lot of potty breaks), then making him hike off to some other bathroom (I don't know how far removed from the playing area) could be a significant problem.
BTW, Seirawan just weighed in on this--essentially in Kramnik's favor--on Chessbase.
Exactly my point: There is an "injustice" here, and Kramnik is on the receiving end, but toilet facilities do not warrant the abandonment of a World Championship match. Regardless of who is right or wrong.
FIDE have made a wrong decision, but until they reverse the decision, Kramnik is in the wrong. He shoud have appealed the decision and played the game.
Originally posted by GatecrasherHe couldn't appeal the decision according to the rules of the match. Specifically Section 3.17: The written decision of the Appeals Committee arising from any dispute in respect of these regulations shall be final.
Sierawan: Veselin Topalov followed the proper channels of protocol to lodge a complaint, and his complaint was upheld. It was the Appeals Committee which over-reacted, exceeded its authority and failed to respect the contract signed by FIDE.
Exactly my point: There is an "injustice" here, and Kramnik is on the receiving end, [b]but toilet f ...[text shortened]... sion, Kramnik is in the wrong. He shoud have appealed the decision and played the game.[/b]
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2006/09/official-rules-regulations-agreed-by.html
Originally posted by no1marauderLet me point you where you are wrong please.
In case you missed it, Topalov threatened to withdraw from the match IF his demands to the conditions he agreed to weren't changed. This is no "man of honor".
Topalov is sooooooo far above, he lost the first two games of the match and has a minus score lifetime against Kramnik.
1. Topalov threatened to withdraw 'BUT CAME TO PLAY''. (One for me)
2. Topalove lost the first 2 true, but with suspicions Kramnik cheated buy going more than 50 times to the bathroom just "for walks".
Question:
Do they have stadium size or at least tennis court size bathrooms over there in Elista?
The only people using bathrooms for relaxation I have seen are the homeless people who don't know what hygiene means (with all the respect to them since they have mental issues.)
Can a bathroom be Chess Inspiring place? Seems for Kramnik only.
Topalov wants to play with equal right and responsibilities for each contender. Seems like you don't want to hear this.
Originally posted by Los AngelesStop with the lies and the paranoid BS. The rules the parties agreed on beforehand give "equal rights and responsibilities". And if Topalov didn't want to play by them, he should have just ducked the match and kept his sham title while the true World Champion found someone who wasn't such a crybaby to play.
Let me point you where you are wrong please.
1. Topalov threatened to withdraw 'BUT CAME TO PLAY''. (One for me)
2. Topalove lost the first 2 true, but with suspicions Kramnik cheated buy going more than 50 times to the bathroom just "for walks".
Do they have stadium size or at least tennis court size bathrooms over there in Elista?
The only peop al right and responsibilities for each contender. Seems like you don't want to hear this.
Bottom line: Topalov only started this nonsense when he started losing. And I assume you don't know anything about chess because anybody who does and has looked at the games so far knows that no one is cheating.
Originally posted by Los AngelesEveryone now hates Topalov and you have lost every argument here.
Let me point you where you are wrong please.
1. Topalov threatened to withdraw 'BUT CAME TO PLAY''. (One for me)
2. Topalove lost the first 2 true, but with suspicions Kramnik cheated buy going more than 50 times to the bathroom just "for walks".
Question:
Do they have stadium size or at least tennis court size bathrooms over there in Elista?
...[text shortened]... al right and responsibilities for each contender. Seems like you don't want to hear this.
I point this out as over 13 pages of posts, you don't seem to have noticed this obvious fact once.
Or maybe you have. Perhaps the same way Topalov has noticed Kramnik is a superior chess player to him, but has chosen to attract attention to something rather different.
FWIW, here's GM Yasser Seirawan's letter:
His Excellency
FIDE President Kirsan N. Ilyumzhinov
September 29, 2006
Re: Crisis in the Elista 2006 World Championship Match
Dear Kirsan,
I am writing an open letter to you regarding today's events during the 2006 Unification World Championship Match between the Classical World Champion Vladimir Kramnik and the FIDE World Champion Veselin Topalov.
For far too long the chess world has been in a terrible schism, and a successful conclusion to the current match is of paramount importance to chess fans and to the future of our sport. With tempers currently running high, it is time for all parties to show their manifest goodwill so that the match can resume, so that the players can demonstrate their skill over the board and so that chess fans can enjoy a resumption of the exciting games we have seen so far.
Playchess commentator GM Yasser Seirawan
I would therefore urge that all parties calm down and reflect upon the events that have led to today's aborted game.
It is my understanding that Veselin Topalov lodged an official complaint that his opponent visited his bathroom an excessive number of times during play, casting a suspicion of unfair behavior. The Appeals Committee agreed that the complaint had some basis and decided that the solution was that the players would henceforth share a common bathroom. In so doing the Appeals Committee made a clearly erroneous decision, which it should now reverse with good grace.
Before the start of the match, a contract was signed by all parties. Furthermore, before the start of play all parties inspected the playing area, the separate restrooms and the separate bathrooms. These were the conditions agreed to by all the parties, and the match began. Thereafter, any changes to these arrangements would require the unanimous agreement of all parties. It was therefore wrong of the Appeals Committee unilaterally to withdraw from Vladimir Kramnik the conditions of play to which he had agreed, namely use of a separate restroom and bathroom.
Angered by the decision of the Appeals Committee, which violates the match contract, Vladimir Kramnik has stated that he considers the Appeals Committee biased against him and asks that the members of the Appeals Committee be changed.
This highly-charged situation calls for a compromise by all parties, and I therefore suggest the following solution:
Firstly, since separate bathrooms were agreed to by all parties, they should be reinstated with immediate effect.
Secondly, to assuage any suspicions of unfair behavior, the bathrooms should have an attendant at hand during play.
Thirdly, Game Five should be rescheduled and played tomorrow, Saturday, September 30, 2006 at the usual time.
Finally, the Appeals Committee members should be allowed to remain in place as the Committee is currently constituted. However, the Committee made an error and its decision should be reversed. Veselin Topalov followed the proper channels of protocol to lodge a complaint, and his complaint was upheld. It was the Appeals Committee which over-reacted, exceeded its authority and failed to respect the contract signed by FIDE.
It is my sincerest hope that this solution will be regarded as measured and fair to all parties and that the unfortunate disagreement can now be resolved promptly. Then all of us in the chess world can resume our enjoyment of a fascinating over-the-board contest between two magnificent players.
Sincerely,
Yasser Seirawan
Originally posted by TommyC1. How come Kramnik is superior since Topalove has the top Rating?
Everyone now hates Topalov and you have lost every argument here.
I point this out as over 13 pages of posts, you don't seem to have noticed this obvious fact once.
Or maybe you have. Perhaps the same way Topalov has noticed Kramnik is a superior chess player to him, but has chosen to attract attention to something rather different.
2. How many World Chess Champions do you know who have gone more than 50 times in the bathroom within 7hours?
Seems like you lost control of yourself.
From the Kramnik's team letter.............
• Access to Recordings
As Mr. Kramnik in the press conference stated he did not sign a contract for acting in a reality show. The recordings shall be observed by the arbiters. Neither Team Topalov nor Team Kramnik shall have access to the recordings. Investigations shall be in the sole responsibility of the Arbiters......
Seems like fair play is not the first thing mr. Kramnik's team cares about.
I suspect the next World Chess Championship match will be heavily guided by lawyers.