Originally posted by 7ate9Probably Kramnik will turn up tomorrow and sit at the white pieces. The arbiter will ask him to move to the black side, which he will not. There will be some fuss about whose clock is counting down what, and then a forfeit a few hours later.
Yeah, probably. I hope he can get over this and play tommorow.
We are all losers in this, including Topalov, who has the added distinction of being arch dunce.
Originally posted by WiabjLooking at the rules of the match, Kramnik appears to be on solid grounds particulary because of this provision:
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3. 18. 3 After the World Chess Championship Committee agrees with the Organisers on the arrangements in respect of the tournament hall, facilities, accommodation and meals, transportation, telecommunication, ceremonies, etc., no objections from the participants shall be acceptable as long as the conditions are in accordance with the rights of the players granted in their agreements.
I don't see that the Appeals Committee is granted the power to change the arrangements only to rule on specific matters. Topalov's complaint was based on Kramnik's "behavior" and the FIDE letter specifically said this was insufficient to find any violation.
The whole thing remains idiotic, IMO.
Originally posted by 7ate9Only when people have a sense of perpective about those principles. Kramnik loses the game, chess loses credibility. Presumably both players consider Kramnik's toilet habits to be more important than the world championship.
Principle is what makes the world a better place. Just remember Kramnik is the one that loses that game, and probably the tournament.
If he was standing up for something worth standing up for, I'd support him. This isn't it.
(Cricket fans may have noticed some parallels with the recent 'ball tampering' affair - another case of two sides both 'acting on principle' to produce a result far less satisfactory than if they'd both shown some flexibility)
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Originally posted by no1marauderSo after having read that. If you were Kramnik's manager or lawyer would you still say the following?
Looking at the rules of the match, Kramnik appears to be on solid grounds particulary because of this provision:
3. 18. 3 After the World Chess Championship Committee agrees with the Organisers on the arrangements in respect of the tournament hall, facilities, accommodation and meals, transportation, telecommunication, ceremonies, etc., no ob ...[text shortened]... s was insufficient to find any violation.
The whole thing remains idiotic, IMO.
Originally posted by no1marauder
If I was the lawyer for Kramnik and the contract states what Kramnik's people are saying, I'd tell him he might be on good legal grounds but I'd advise him to play. It's not always worth it to stand on "principle" when what is at issue is trivial.
The next question is, if he is on solid ground with his position. Should today's forfeit stand? It seems reasonable to me that they should have delayed the game until the issue was solved. They put Kramnik in a postion where he had to accept the ruling without a chance to really appeal his case, or accept a forfeit. A lose, lose situation if I have ever seen one.
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I believe Kramnik is 100% in the right, he can't allow the Topalov team to bully him in this way.
This is a match for the World Chess Championships and it should be decided over the board not by silly little psychological games.
Assuming that the match is now over and Topalov is declared the winner, who is going to take him seriously as World Champion? Roll on a match between Anand and Kramnik to decide the true World Champion!
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Originally posted by Fat LadyCompletely agree. Topalov is a paper champion, and seems desperate to remain so.
I believe Kramnik is 100% in the right, he can't allow the Topalov team to bully him in this way.
This is a match for the World Chess Championships and it should be decided over the board not by silly little psychological games.
Assuming that the match is now over and Topalov is declared the winner, who is going to take him seriously as World Champion?
My advice to Magnus Carlsen right now is take up another hobby.