Originally posted by RagnorakBut I thought engines routinely examine every possible line to a certain depth then choose the best move, are you saying there is like a 2 stage move selection? making an engine possibly dissmiss good moves that only come good at a depth that the engine does not look that deep initially i.e. it only looks deepest at a few pre-selected lines?
Not necessarily true. My one win against a 2000+ player was against an engine. Any good human player wouldn't have allowed the classic bishop sacrifice, whereas the engines pruning algorithms wouldn't have looked at the saccing line in any detail.Game 1514982
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Originally posted by stevetoddThey can't possibly examine every line (what with their being more possible games of chess than grains of sand on every beach in the whole world). There are different pruning algorithms to try to make the task possible.
But I thought engines routinely examine every possible line to a certain depth then choose the best move, are you saying there is like a 2 stage move selection? making an engine possibly dissmiss good moves that only come good at a depth that the engine does not look that deep initially i.e. it only looks deepest at a few pre-selected lines?
1) Engines will always assume you make the best move available. So if they find one continuation which is better than the previous, they'll dismiss the previous line for now.
2) If a move loses material, they will often prune that line from their search tree, as happens in the game I linked to.
This is one example of a pruning algorithm...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-beta_pruning
I'm not sure how far chess engines have advanced since I wrote mine about 7 years ago.
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Originally posted by Von BardelebenGood bye!
sooner or later i'm going to leave this site, it's the fact that too many people have been cheating, even i've opened up my programs several times because i was against some of the cheaters. I mean why waste ur time on RHP to play programs when you can do it right on ur fritz? now I'm not going to name who the cheaters are. since i've admitted my occa ...[text shortened]... heaters(which is the reason i used fritz sometimes), if i get banned, I won't even regret!
Originally posted by jhardIt doesn't require any technical ability. You just need $40 to buy a chess playing program and let it select your moves. As to why, you'd have to ask a psychiatrist. Some deep rooted psychological need probably.
I'm confused and I guess not techi enough. How in the world can you cheat on this site. I just don't get it. And secondly, WHY would u cheat; kinda reminds me of some of my golf friends that want to NOODLE the ball before they strike it. LOL
Still some people are even more "Crafty" and don't pay for an engine. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cheaters are only cheating themselves. You know how good it feels to break the tension in the game and calculate a 5 move (of more for some of you guys) run that wins the enemy queen or delivers checkmate. My guess is they never get that feeling. Just in that they rob themselves from some nice games.
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Originally posted by masscatYou're 100 % right !!!!
Just some thoughts. I’ve been playing correspondence chess for as long as anyone can remember and have had experience with engine users since they came out and played at the 1200 level and made obvious stupid moves. I just started playing internet chess two years ago and sampled many sites and have run into a few users. If I play one, so what? It’s part o ...[text shortened]... …I have a database with hundreds of my games in it…anybody wanna look at them? Didn’t think so.
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Originally posted by deeploserWell said that man. You really have got to be some sort of loser to log on to a chess site every day just to plug in some moves that a computer tells you to make. What a life.
Still some people are even more "Crafty" and don't pay for an engine. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cheaters are only cheating themselves. You know how good it feels to break the tension in the game and calculate a 5 move (of more for some of you guys) run that wins the enemy queen or delivers checkmate. My guess is they never get that feeling. Just in that they rob themselves from some nice games.
Originally posted by Von Bardeleben...
sooner or later i'm going to leave this site, it's the fact that too many people have been cheating, even i've opened up my programs several times because i was against some of the cheaters. I mean why waste ur time on RHP to play programs when you can do it right on ur fritz? now I'm not going to name who the cheaters are. since i've admitted my occa ...[text shortened]... heaters(which is the reason i used fritz sometimes), if i get banned, I won't even regret!
Almost all world champion correspondence players use engines to check their analysis and freely admit it. When they play each other if one relies entirely on his engine, he’ll probably lose. I.e. a strong player plus an engine is usually better than an engine alone. I’m curious…does everybody think engine use at the world correspondence championship level is cheating? I doubt anybody could make it at that level without using one.
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Originally posted by Ramiri15Come on let me play you. h4 is my favorite opening, after g4, but why unrated?
Well Von B has been banned. I posted in another thread that if that happened I'd play a 1.h4 game with someone in his honor. So is anyone up for an unrated 1.h4 game? I have all my game slots filled but when I have an opening I'll send over the game.
See Game 2286330
Fancy that, the person who accused everyone of cheating was banned under TOS 3b for playing fairly, along with 2 other (of whom I have never heard)