Originally posted by English TalAgreed. The old school is correct - the Kings Gambit must be accepted and provided black doesn't get too obsessed with holding the pawn should get the better game for it.
That'll teach ya for being cheeky haha.
I must admit, I belong to the old school way of thinking.... KG, always accept, QG, always decline. Of course personal knowledge of an opponent otb could alter this.
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I would also say about the Falkbeer there is something psychological about virtually forcing the exchange 3.exd5...exf4 (3.Nc3 & 3.Nf3 are fairly rare I think) that takes the wind out of white's sails.
They are now playing more on your terms as black, as opposed to the multitude of lines in the 2...Bc5 declined.
Other winners with the Falkbeer are Gligoric & Short, who both know the KG pretty well as white!
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Originally posted by Squelchbelch[Event "ol (men)"]
I use the chessbase db at chesslive.
Don't know how to link the games but the details of some notable white losses to the Falkbeer (so you can refine search & find games) are as follows:
Federov v Yurtaev 29/09/1998
Gallagher v Barkhagen 1995
Macieja v Karpov 04/07/2003
[Site "Elista RUS"]
[Date "1998.10.09"]
[EventDate "1998.??.??"]
[Round "10"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Alexei Fedorov"]
[Black "Leonid Yurtaev"]
[ECO "C31"]
[WhiteElo "2600"]
[BlackElo "2540"]
[PlyCount "116"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Bd6 5. d4 Nf6 6. c4 O-O
7. Be2 Re8 8. O-O Bg4 9. Bd3 c5 10. b4 b6 11. Nc3 cxd4 12. Nb5
Bxb4 13. Bxf4 Na6 14. Qa4 Ne4 15. Bxe4 Rxe4 16. Bg3 Ba5
17. Nfxd4 Nc5 18. Qc2 Qd7 19. Nb3 Bb4 20. Nc1 Bf5 21. Nd6 Bg6
22. a3 Re3 23. Nf5 Bc3 24. Ra2 Rae8 25. Qf2 Bxf5 26. Qxf5 Qxf5
27. Rxf5 Rxg3 28. hxg3 Re1+ 29. Kh2 Rxc1 30. Re2 Kf8 31. d6
Bf6 32. Rxc5 bxc5 33. d7 g6 34. Re8+ Kg7 35. d8=Q Bxd8
36. Rxd8 Rxc4 37. Rc8 h5 38. a4 a5 39. Rc6 Rxa4 40. Rxc5 Ra1
41. Rb5 f5 42. Rb7+ Kf6 43. Rb6+ Kg5 44. Ra6 a4 45. Ra8 a3
46. Ra4 Kf6 47. Ra6+ Ke5 48. Rxg6 Kd4 49. Rf6 Rb1 50. Ra6 Rb3
51. Kh3 Kc3 52. Ra5 Kb2 53. Rxf5 a2 54. Rf2+ Ka3 55. Rxa2+
Kxa2 56. Kh4 Kb2 57. g4 hxg4 58. Kxg4 Rb8 0-1
That was no Falkber counter-gambit, but Modern defence (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5)
[Event "It open"]
[Site "9"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[EventDate "1995.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Joseph G Gallagher"]
[Black "Jonas Barkhagen"]
[ECO "C31"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "84"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 c6 4. Nc3 exf4 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. d4 Ne7
7. Bc4 cxd5 8. Bxd5 O-O 9. Bb3 Bg4 10. O-O Ng6 11. Qd3 Nc6
12. Bd2 Bxf3 13. Rxf3 Qb6 14. Kh1 Qxd4 15. Ne4 Be5 16. c3 Qxd3
17. Rxd3 Rfd8 18. Rxd8+ Rxd8 19. Rd1 h6 20. Bc1 Rxd1+ 21. Bxd1
Nge7 22. Nc5 b6 23. Nd3 g5 24. Kg1 f5 25. Kf2 Kf7 26. Bd2 Ke6
27. b4 Nd5 28. Bb3 Kd6 29. c4 Bd4+ 30. Kf3 Nf6 31. Be1 Be3
32. Bc3 Ne4 33. Bg7 h5 34. Ke2 Bd4 35. Bf8+ Kc7 36. h4 Ng3+
37. Kf3 Be3 38. Nxf4 Bxf4 39. Bg7 Kd6 40. Bc2 Ne5+ 41. Bxe5+
Kxe5 42. a4 Kd4 0-1
Not too popular Falkber counter gambit line (invented by Nimzovitch) in which white can get better position playing 4.Qe2
[Event "PlusGSM Rapid Match"]
[Site "Warsaw POL"]
[Date "2003.04.09"]
[EventDate "2003.04.07"]
[Round "6"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Bartlomiej Macieja"]
[Black "Anatoli Karpov"]
[ECO "C36"]
[WhiteElo "2634"]
[BlackElo "2686"]
[PlyCount "106"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Bc4 Nxd5 6. Bxd5
Qxd5 7. Nc3 Qd8 8. d4 Bb4 9. O-O O-O 10. Qd3 Nc6 11. Bxf4 Ne7
12. Ne4 Bf5 13. c3 Ng6 14. Bd2 Be7 15. Nfg5 Bxg5 16. Rxf5 Bxd2
17. Nxd2 Qd7 18. Raf1 Rae8 19. Ne4 Re7 20. Ng5 h6 21. Nxf7
Rexf7 22. Rxf7 Rxf7 23. Qxg6 Rxf1+ 24. Kxf1 Qb5+ 25. Kg1 Qxb2
26. Qe6+ Kh7 27. Qf5+ Kh8 28. Qc8+ Kh7 29. Qxc7 Qb1+ 30. Kf2
Qxa2+ 31. Ke3 Qxg2 32. c4 Qg1+ 33. Kd3 Qb1+ 34. Ke3 Qe1+
35. Kd3 Qb1+ 36. Kd2 Qb2+ 37. Ke3 Qc3+ 38. Ke4 a5 39. Qxb7
Qxc4 40. Qb1 Qe6+ 41. Kf4+ Qg6 42. Qa2 Qd6+ 43. Ke4 Qe7+
44. Kd3 Qb4 45. Ke3 a4 46. Qc2+ Kg8 47. Qc8+ Kf7 48. d5 Qe7+
49. Kd3 a3 50. Qa6 Qe5 51. d6 Ke6 52. Qc8+ Kxd6 53. Qb8+ Ke6
0-1
Its Modern defence again.
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Originally posted by SquelchbelchI dont think that it would be correct to call it Falkbeer, because with 3...exf4 4.Nf3 black does not sacrifice pawn anymore and as this position arises after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 it would be more correct ro call it Modern defence - simply its another move order.
I thought 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 was the Falkbeer?? 😕
In chessgames.com names of opening in each game is made only from first moves, even if after then they transposes to another opening. For example - 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.d4 is Queens gambit (1,d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3) but in chessgames its called Reti only due to first 2 moves.
Originally posted by SquelchbelchThe Falkbeer Counter Gambit is 1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5 3.exd5 e4. 3...c6 is the Nimzovitch Counter Gambit. 3...d5 leads to the Modern Defence if white plays 4.Nf3 and the Bishop's Gambit if he plays 4.Bc4. The current main line of the Falkbeer is 4.d3 Nf6 5.dxe4 Nxe4 6.Nf3 (or 6.Be3), which seems to offer white reasonable chances of a small plus. For what it's worth I always accept the KG as black (3.Nf3 g5).
I thought 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 was the Falkbeer?? 😕
Despite losing my last game where I accepted the gambit - Game 3548424
I am happy with 3. Nf3 d5 my problem comes when white plays 3. Bc4 as I don't have a satisfactory answer.
Originally posted by GalaxyShieldI've only gone back to playing 1..e5 in blitz for a change recently so i'm no authority but i've been playing this...
Hi, I'm looking for some help as black against the King's Gambit. I've used the same line (2. Nc6) for a long time but I lose way to much with it so I'm looking for an improvement. If anyone could give me a line or two and play a couple set piece games explaining why certain moves are good/bad, I'd really appreciate it. Send me a PM if you're willing to ...[text shortened]... are oodles of threads about the KG out there, but I don't feel like digging through them.
1.e4 ..e5
2.f4 ..Nf6
If
3.fxe5 ..Nxe4
or
3.Nc6 ..exf4 or ..Bc5 returns the gambit and gets an exciting game... 🙂
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Originally posted by Dragon FireI play the KG and hope that my opponents accept the gambit. Black is very close to equality with the simple 1 e4 e5 2 f4 Bc5. Accepting the gambit can often lead to the type of game that the gambiteer feels comfortable with.
Agreed. The old school is correct - the Kings Gambit must be accepted and provided black doesn't get too obsessed with holding the pawn should get the better game for it.
I feel you always have to accept the KG, but its not for all players, it depends how you prefere to play of course. Paul Morphy has some really impressive games as black accepted the KG (mostly because he seemed to like a beautiful mess of sorts lol)...as well a interesting game to check it was Vassily Ivanchuk, i think 2001 Corus against Alexei Fedorov where he accepted the KG and won.