Originally posted by AmauroteI wonder if he was in on it. Does anyone reckonise that player? He was the odd man out after all!
I think the junior player is probably mortified by Brown saying that he played and beat him for real because he was the weakest one there.
The number trick was quite impressive, but my math isn't up to par to figure out what he did. One thing I did reckonise was that it was a bit of a psychological stretch -- The first man said 7 and he pointed to the first two numbers 6 and 1.
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Originally posted by exigentskyThat player I think was Robert Chan who although being introduced as the president of the chess society kings college, london does not seem to have an ecf grading, maybe he does not play well despite his position. He may well have been a 'ringer' in soo much that he does not play anywhere up to the level of the others?
While I understand what he did, I am still surprised that it worked. By his own admission, he was mirroring the GM play for each side except for table 9. Beating that player is no small feat.
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Originally posted by bosintangThat player I think was Robert Chan who although being introduced as the president of the chess society kings college, london does not seem to have an ecf grading, maybe he does not play well despite his position. He may well have been a 'ringer' in so much that he does not play anywhere up to the level of the others?
I wonder if he was in on it. Does anyone reckonise that player? He was the odd man out after all!
The number trick was quite impressive, but my math isn't up to par to figure out what he did. One thing I did reckonise was that it was a bit of a psychological stretch -- The first man said 7 and he pointed to the first two numbers 6 and 1.
Originally posted by stevetodd"Just to clarify the status of the ninth board, he's a player of 2200 strength. The title 'President of King's College Chess Club' refers to him being the figurehead of a University in London, which is one of the strongest in Britain.
That player I think was Robert Chan who although being introduced as the president of the chess society kings college, london does not seem to have an ecf grading, maybe he does not play well despite his position. He may well have been a 'ringer' in so much that he does not play anywhere up to the level of the others?
There's also a reason, perhaps, for Mr Brown being able to predict the number of pieces remaining on the board at the end of the game. Apparently during a retake, there as a shout and a noise and the players view of Graham Lee, the holder of the envelope was blocked. There could have been a switch made at this time. However, there still remains the puzzle that Mr Lee was convinced that the envelope had remained in his pocket the whole time, and he is regarded as an honest man in England."
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1610
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Originally posted by AmauroteDo you know him, from their web site I see that he is not currently the president, when was he? see below:
"Just to clarify the status of the ninth board, he's a player of 2200 strength. The title 'President of King's College Chess Club' refers to him being the figurehead of a University in London, which is one of the strongest in Britain.
There's also a reason, perhaps, for Mr Brown being able to predict the number of pieces remaining on the board at the end ...[text shortened]... rded as an honest man in England."
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1610
President: Obeda Kailani
Vice-President: Imaad Khalid
and I still do not understand how he does not have an ecf rating (nor a fide one)
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Originally posted by HomerJSimpsonsorry not sure what you don't get, if it's how he done it, he remembered one GM's response as black (to his white move) and played it against the grandmaster playing white, and so on, so 8 of the 9 players are playing each other. The trick is how he beat the 9th player which is what we are chatting about, looks like he found someone to take a dive?
I dont get it
Originally posted by stevetoddProbably. If you have ever seen those "magic revealed" shows Fox used to run years ago, a lot of television magic relies on straight up, flat out lying. They get someone to act like they are a normal honest joe when in fact they are fully compliant in the deception.
sorry not sure what you don't get, if it's how he done it, he remembered one GM's response as black (to his white move) and played it against the grandmaster playing white, and so on, so 8 of the 9 players are playing each other. The trick is how he beat the 9th player which is what we are chatting about, looks like he found someone to take a dive?
I remember when they showed how Copperfield did his disappearing Statue of Liberty trick. They had a stage with a bunch of people in grandstands. The Statue of Liberty was visible through curtains open on the stage. They closed the curtains, opened them again, and the Statue was gone. Turns out they just built a stage and grandstands together on rails. When they closed the curtain, they just moved everything over, the people, the stage, the curtains, the camera rig, everything, to the side a bit such that the Statue wasn't straight ahead anymore. Then they opened the curtains and...no Statue. It was still there, just off the side. The whole grandstand audience was in on it. It was just a flat out lie.
Still, setting it up such that 8 of the chess players play each other is pretty clever and elegant. It keeps the record realistic too, not 9 wins 0 losses 0 draws. I bet afterward when the players talked about their games they figured it out pretty quick. I bet the guys that figured out they beat the grandmasters were pretty jazzed.
Lots of good comments here. As the Chessbase article mentioned, this mirroring scam is an old one, and I would be greatly surprised if most of the Board 1-8 players hadn't heard the story before.
The moral of Brown's trick is that if you're in a simul being hosted by a weakie, you're facing outward so you can't see the opposite boards, and the boards are alternating colors, run, don't walk, to the exits!
first off, lets assume that brown is crap at chess.....
seeing as the 8 games were mirrored, Brown has a database of 4 games.....
with that "database" he could probably get out of the opening alive, possibly with advantage....
but this still means Brown is likely to lose, that is of course assuming that president is playing to full strength
Originally posted by cludiCludi I would be interested in your opinion, for me the magician would not have commenced the trick 'hoping' to beat the apparent 2200 player to get the win. He had to have bribed him, so he had him in his pocket when the trick started, I also suspect that the others were not so much fooled but were probably quite happy with their fee so did not want to start firing accusations when they realised they had been duped.
You're right. nicohuyboom was the other victim.
The "player" who did the trick was propawnkiller
By the way well done on your win over David Tebbs.
Originally posted by ArchaeopteryxI also think it was most probably just a trick and all involved were in on it...all the stuff about setting them up to play each other etc. as with the pseudo psycology used in other tricks is just used to give some credibility to the hoax - that's the showmanship. Good idea though and well performed.
Probably. If you have ever seen those "magic revealed" shows Fox used to run years ago, a lot of television magic relies on straight up, flat out lying. They get someone to act like they are a normal honest joe when in fact they are fully compliant in the deception.
I remember when they showed how Copperfield did his disappearing Statue of Liberty ...[text shortened]... pretty quick. I bet the guys that figured out they beat the grandmasters were pretty jazzed.