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One more top player banned for cheating

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User 58183

I had 2 games against him - in first he won me against my Latvian Gambit, but in second he was overplayed in strategy and with positional exchange sacrifice I got advantage, but this game was still unfinished.

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No irony that said player was in FAITH HOPE LOVE ?

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What engine you think he used?

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Originally posted by HomerJSimpson
What engine you think he used?
I don't know, but it does appear as if the engines are getting stronger. GauravV was supposedly using fritz and he was a 2000-2100 player, Jimster was 2300+

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Originally posted by HomerJSimpson
What engine you think he used?
I dont know. Even if I analysed his moves with all possible chess programs, I couldnt be sure, because i dunno how long time his engine analysed each move.

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two or three top players removed every month ... but I guess the number must be higher ...

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I wish there were some way losses to engine users could be negated.

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Only 50 players are graded above 2100. How many of them are cheating?

It almost seems there are no genuinely strong players here.

I have felt uncomfortable against a few on their way up but none banned yet. Feel when you never seem to have any chances in a game that its a little iffy but behond that don't know how it is possible to tell bar the sort of obvious patzer engine moves (eg throwing away pieces to delay mate as long as possible rather than play the "inferior" line that creates the chance of a blunder).

jimster has lost games but how and why did that come about if he was using an engine. I find if you put the average middle game position in an engine it comes up with a dozen moves within,say, .25 pawns and cycles through 6 of them being best if left to "think" for 5-10 minutes. So how do you determine someone used an engine. Even a novice stands a good chance of choosing one of those move quite often.

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Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Only 50 players are graded above 2100. How many of them are cheating?

It almost seems there are no genuinely strong players here.

I have felt uncomfortable against a few on their way up but none banned yet. Feel when you never seem to have any chances in a game that its a little iffy but behond that don't know how it is possible to tell bar the sor ...[text shortened]... ed an engine. Even a novice stands a good chance of choosing one of those move quite often.
I hope you dont feel too uncomfortable against me? 😀

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Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Only 50 players are graded above 2100. How many of them are cheating?

It almost seems there are no genuinely strong players here.

I have felt uncomfortable against a few on their way up but none banned yet. Feel when you never seem to have any chances in a game that its a little iffy but behond that don't know how it is possible to tell bar the sor ...[text shortened]... ed an engine. Even a novice stands a good chance of choosing one of those move quite often.
That's right, a novice CAN find good moves but not at a 90-95% rate. Not even Kasparov would match that percentage, he would probably come up with moves Fritz doesn't even consider good and then win. The reason players get banned is a careful analysis of the game vs what some engine/CPU combination would pick. You can get a pretty good indication by just the shape of their profile chart, flat ones are usually cheaters. If you look at mine, it looks like a mountain range which is what people usually do, win some, go on a losing streak, go downhill, then your brain starts working again and the graph jumps up, etc.

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There are some, i.e. David Tebb and NorthernLad.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
There are some, i.e. David Tebb and NorthernLad.
But how can we be sure they don't cheat too. When ironman was still here, nobody suspected anything before he got banned.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
That's right, a novice CAN find good moves but not at a 90-95% rate. Not even Kasparov would match that percentage, he would probably come up with moves Fritz doesn't even consider good and then win. The reason players get banned is a careful analysis of the game vs what some engine/CPU combination would pick. You can get a pretty good indication by just th ...[text shortened]... losing streak, go downhill, then your brain starts working again and the graph jumps up, etc.
Careful. It almost sounds like you're saying that Kasparov could not find good moves 90-95% of the time. In a sense, I suppose you're correct. 99% is more like it.

Matching Fritz is another matter.

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Originally posted by sonhouse
That's right, a novice CAN find good moves but not at a 90-95% rate. Not even Kasparov would match that percentage, he would probably come up with moves Fritz doesn't even consider good and then win. The reason players get banned is a careful analysis of the game vs what some engine/CPU combination would pick. You can get a pretty good indication by just th ...[text shortened]... losing streak, go downhill, then your brain starts working again and the graph jumps up, etc.
Or they suck flat out, use an engine for awhile win some, then back off and continue sucking till they cant take the losing any longer.

Cheating is probably easier to detect at high levels, but face it, there is no way to tell if someone occasionally cheats.

I've faced more than one person here who I would get a substantial lead on because they would make horrible moves, then all of a sudden they would improve to GM like skill for the rest of the game. leaving me shaking my head in bewilderment at their sudden knowledge level!


Cheating around here is rampant at all levels I believe.

At least its detectable fairly accurately at the supposed higher skill levels.

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Originally posted by Jusuh
But how can we be sure they don't cheat too. When ironman was still here, nobody suspected anything before he got banned.
My conversations with NorthernLad lead me to believe he's real - do I have solid proof? No.

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