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  1. 14 Feb '07 15:46
    I would be interested to know what the board thinks of players who simply swap pieces with the intention of simply being 1 piece up on you constantly throughout a game.
    This has happened against me a few times.
    I am not a good player by far and thought that tactical manouvering was more correct unless this is included.
    I would be grateful for your thoughts
  2. 14 Feb '07 15:48
    we do not have any special thoughts or feelings about those players...they are not special, they are chess players
  3. 14 Feb '07 15:52
    You mean tactically inept?
  4. 14 Feb '07 15:54
    why tactically inept ? they are tactically better than you because they are up a piece...
  5. 14 Feb '07 15:57
    Originally posted by king creole
    You mean tactically inept?
    It's very usual & is solid basic strategy.
    If you're ahead than it makes sense to simplify (ie exchange like for like pieces off the board) because the less pawns & pieces on the board, the more your comparative advantage will be over your opponent.

    Ceteris paribus
  6. Standard member Ragnorak
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    14 Feb '07 16:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by king creole
    I would be interested to know what the board thinks of players who simply swap pieces with the intention of simply being 1 piece up on you constantly throughout a game.
    This has happened against me a few times.
    I am not a good player by far and thought that tactical manouvering was more correct unless this is included.
    I would be grateful for your thoughts
    With a full board, and assuming pawn=1, bishop/knight=3, Rook=5, Queen=9, then you have a 39 pawns plays 39.

    If you have a 1 bishop advantage, then it is 39 plays 36: You have an advantage of about 7.7%.

    If you then manage to swap off most of the other pieces, leaving you with a bishop and rook and 3 pawns V rook and 3 pawns, then it is 11 plays 8, which equates to an advantage of about 27%.

    Once you have a material advantage, generally, swapping off pieces should increase your advantage.

    D
  7. 14 Feb '07 16:50 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    With a full board, and assuming pawn=1, bishop/knight=3, Rook=5, Queen=9, then you have a 39 pawns plays 39.

    If you have a 1 bishop advantage, then it is 39 plays 36: You have an advantage of about 7.7%.

    If you then manage to swap off most of the other pieces, leaving you with a bishop and rook and 3 pawns V rook and 3 pawns, then it is 11 plays 8, wh ...[text shortened]... a material advantage, [b]generally
    , swapping off pieces should increase your advantage.

    D[/b]
    ^ provided of course, that after all the trades, you havn't simplified into a draw.

    eg. N+N+K v K

    if we simple used numbers, then it would be 11:5 white (*where king=5) which would appear to be advantageous to white....when it isn't.
  8. Subscriber BigDoggProblemonline
    The Advanced Mind
    14 Feb '07 16:55
    Originally posted by king creole
    You mean tactically inept?
    Your opponent isn't obligated to let you back in the game when you lose a piece. The burden of avoiding trades is on you.
  9. 14 Feb '07 16:56
    Piece swapping? like this?

    Game 3168723
  10. Standard member onyx2006
    onyx2007
    14 Feb '07 17:09 / 1 edit
    there's 2 occasions when I'll trade down. The obvious one is when I've a material advantage. The one I'm not proud of is when I'm in a complex middle game and find it hard to formulate a plan... I simplify and find it easier. Same goes for cramped positions, trade off to free up space.
  11. 14 Feb '07 17:11
    When you are material up you can threaten to exchange pieces to force your opponent to move his men away from the good squares that they occupy
  12. 14 Feb '07 17:21 / 1 edit
    It's a perfectly reasonable and normal strategy. If you are a peice down then you should avoid the piece trades. Pawn trades can be ok as they could open up the enemy king, create passed pawns etc.

    If you are a piece down and you feel there is a chance for you to continue play so that there are as many complex tactical possibilities as possible. That usually means try to make passed pawns, point your pieces at the enemy king and queen, put your knights on good outposts near their king etc - and avoid trades where possible!
  13. 14 Feb '07 17:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by king creole
    I would be interested to know what the board thinks of players who simply swap pieces with the intention of simply being 1 piece up on you constantly throughout a game.
    This has happened against me a few times.
    I am not a good player by far and thought that tactical manouvering was more correct unless this is included.
    I would be grateful for your thoughts
    This is normal strategy. The onus is now on your opponent to force swaps (difficult), and you must try to avoid them(difficult). It's part of the game.
  14. 14 Feb '07 18:16
    Originally posted by king creole
    I would be interested to know what the board thinks of players who simply swap pieces with the intention of simply being 1 piece up on you constantly throughout a game.
    This has happened against me a few times.
    I am not a good player by far and thought that tactical manouvering was more correct unless this is included.
    I would be grateful for your thoughts
    Reciprocate by trying to swap all the pawns off, if he's a minor piece up with no pawns then you get a draw.
  15. 14 Feb '07 18:25
    Originally posted by king creole
    I would be interested to know what the board thinks of players who simply swap pieces with the intention of simply being 1 piece up on you constantly throughout a game.
    This has happened against me a few times.
    I am not a good player by far and thought that tactical manouvering was more correct unless this is included.
    I would be grateful for your thoughts
    sorry, am i missing something...? isn't this what the game is all about, winning... once i'm a piece up i will simply trade piece for piece with the intention of being one piece up at the end game... whats the problem with that...? it's called tactics... am i suppose to let you back into the game then...?