Originally posted by MathurineWell, I wouldn't mind getting my blood spilt twice by you if you follow me. 🙂
I know this won't be an RHP record, but I'm playing my 47th game against the same guy. What are other forumites' experiences? Do you play the same opponents, or do you like to spill fresh blood, as it were?
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Originally posted by MathurineWhat? 47 times? That may be considered selective pairing or rating manipulation if you were bashing a noob repeatedly. There was a discussion of this in the site ideas forum where some rained on chickens tried to argue otherwise.
I know this won't be an RHP record, but I'm playing my 47th game against the same guy. What are other forumites' experiences? Do you play the same opponents, or do you like to spill fresh blood, as it were?
See the Wikipedia article on elo for the part about selective pairing.
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Originally posted by MathurineYou have me beat. My record is 43 games against one opponent.
I know this won't be an RHP record, but I'm playing my 47th game against the same guy. What are other forumites' experiences? Do you play the same opponents, or do you like to spill fresh blood, as it were?
Unfortunately my record against him is: 6/4/33 (W/D/L)
Spilling fresh blood is good, but at the same time RHP is a great way to keep in touch with real life friends from across the globe.
Originally posted by z00tI have played my son 42 times. I guess that this would be considered selective pairing (he selects me) but most of the games have been unrated so not rating manipulation. I see no reason why i should not play the same player repeatedly if we both enjoy playing each other.
What? 47 times? That may be considered selective pairing or rating manipulation if you were bashing a noob repeatedly. There was a discussion of this in the site ideas forum where some rained on chickens tried to argue otherwise.
See the Wikipedia article on elo for the part about selective pairing.
Originally posted by KeplerThe referenced Wikipedia article discusses selective pairing in a dishonest sense. That is, people "cherry picking" their opponents to artificially boost their ratings. But it seems your situation is a case of honest selective pairing, since we're assuming that both you and your son are both trying to win.
I have played my son 42 times. I guess that this would be considered selective pairing (he selects me) but most of the games have been unrated so not rating manipulation. I see no reason why i should not play the same player repeatedly if we both enjoy playing each other.
Also, most of your rated games are played with other random players, so I don't think there would be any significant distortion of RHP ratings. There would be a potential rating distortion problem if all of your rated games were only with your son, but that's not the case here. (Since the Elo rating system is a relative rating system and has to assume an average rating for the population of players, a player population of only 2 people might result in wildly inaccurate ratings for those 2 players.)
My conclusion? If I were you, I'd continue doing what you've been doing, and enjoy playing your son.
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There was a discussion of this in the site ideas forum where some rained on chickens tried to argue otherwise.
Judge for yourselves. You will see zOOt started trying to make one point, failed, moved on to a different point, and failed to make that also.
There's no mathematical case for claiming that playing a (reasonably) high proportion of games against a particular other person will skew the ratings, providing you are both trying to win.
Originally posted by dottewellYeah, I did read that thread before I made my reply post to Kepler. 😴
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Judge for yourselves. You will see zOOt started trying to make one point, failed, moved on to a different point, and failed to make that also.
There's no mathematical case for claiming that playing a (reasonably) high proportion of games against a particular other person will skew the ratings, providing you are both trying to win.
Originally posted by rained on chickenHow did I fail? People banned from the site for rating manipulation or padding are banned under 3b whereas the TOS does not expressly have a section on padding/rating manipulation. I showed you the rules from the playchess server and if you are banned they can show you that rule. The problem with the likes of Xanthos and Dottwell are that they think the site has 150 people like when they joined. Times are a changing.
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Judge for yourselves. You will see zOOt started trying to make one point, failed, moved on to a different point, and failed to make that also.
There's no mathematical case for claiming that playing a (reasonably) high proportion of games against a particular other person will skew the ratings, providing you are both trying to win.
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Originally posted by z00tYou quoted the following rule:
How did I fail? People banned from the site for rating manipulation or padding are banned under 3b whereas the TOS does not expressly have a section on padding/rating manipulation. I showed you the rules from the playchess server and if you are banned they can show you that rule. The problem with the likes of Xanthos and Dottwell are that they think the site has 150 people like when they joined. [b]Times are a changing.[/b]
5 Manipulating the rating
1. Increasing an ELO-rating (padding or boosting) by losing intentionally is forbidden, and it does not matter if this manipulation is achieved through losing against one's own accounts, friends or acquaintances.
Note "intentionally".
If you simply play a particular player a lot, but you are both trying to win and also play various other players from the RHP pool, there will be no rating distortion. This is simple maths, it really is.