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Refute the damn KG

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Originally posted by tomtom232
Its easy..most KG players have little experience against lines a 1...e5 2.exf 3...g5 4...Bg7 5...h6 6...d6 set up.
Most KG players have little experience against 2...Bc5 😛

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Originally posted by Korch
Most KG players have little experience against 2...Bc5 😛
most KG players have little experience!

- oh how fischerlike!
- sorry korch i couldn't resist 🙂

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1 e4 e5 2 f4 is unsound,whether black continues with e5 x f4 or selects alternative second move,with correct black play the best white is able to force is a drawn game and, without entirely accurate play thereafter white will lose at worst and draw at best.

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Originally posted by RECUVIC
1 e4 e5 2 f4 is unsound,whether black continues with e5 x f4 or selects alternative second move,with correct black play the best white is able to force is a drawn game and, without entirely accurate play thereafter white will lose at worst and draw at best.
as much arguing as i've done for the other side in its darker hour. I don't see black's small advantage as being enough to state "white cannot win against proper play" 2. f4 isn't unsound, it leads to hundreds of sound variations. the Falkbeer itself is very sound, as is the fischer defense (although not as sharp in my opinion) and how about the Muzio Gambit (extremely sharp) or the Kieseritsky Gambit which spassky used to slap fischer?

i think its far from "unsound".
Joseph Gallagher, Alexander Morozevich and Alexei Fedorov
all have outstanding games with the KG.

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Originally posted by RECUVIC
1 e4 e5 2 f4 is unsound,whether black continues with e5 x f4 or selects alternative second move,with correct black play the best white is able to force is a drawn game and, without entirely accurate play thereafter white will lose at worst and draw at best.
I'm not sure that I need to actually reply. I would just like everybody to read "RECUVIC's" comment (do it twice actually) and then read his profile:

"Hello to you all! please note that I play for three clans only.[no clubs] I am a GM who finds it necessary to restrict myself to a few select games/opponents only. I use my own personal completed games history from 22,934 games in printed book format. [will also consult chess books].Still active in otb challenge match and ocassional exibition play. Regret no private challenges accepted at present time except clan challenge-Sometimes I still like to play a few unsound ideas!- No sat/sun play"

and then look at his current rating:

2166

Yes...a "GM" said that...

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
I'm not sure that I need to actually reply. I would just like everybody to read "RECUVIC's" comment (do it twice actually) and then read his profile:

"Hello to you all! please note that I play for three clans only.[no clubs] I am a GM who finds it necessary to restrict myself to a few select games/opponents only. I use my own personal completed games h ...[text shortened]... t/sun play"

and then look at his current rating:

2166

Yes...a "GM" said that...
Well...he did beat Northernlad..and its possible he was a GM in his prime and just isn't in his prime anymore...but I do think that he went a little overboard saying that the KG is unsound even if black doesn't take the pawn... and I will finally get my game against you in the BNL tourny...or maybe even in the sacrifice clan tourney, if you won your match with cedars.

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Also as a side note, I once even had an opponent try to go KG against the Caro Kann.

1) e4 c6 2) f4 d5 3) e5 e6 4) Nf3.

That was a long time ago for me against a 1200 player OTB. I won in 32 moves.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
Well...he did beat Northernlad..and its possible he was a GM in his prime and just isn't in his prime anymore...but I do think that he went a little overboard saying that the KG is unsound even if black doesn't take the pawn... and I will finally get my game against you in the BNL tourny...or maybe even in the sacrifice clan tourney, if you won your match with cedars.
I didn't mean his rating was bad...I meant anybody with that rating and who would claim to be a GM should never say something so ridiculous...

You might get a game against me, if we both advance and get paired.

Ceders and I are still in the opening though - funny enough, he played the KG Muzio against me. 😛

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
I didn't mean his rating was bad...I meant anybody with that rating and who would claim to be a GM should never say something so ridiculous...

You might get a game against me, if we both advance and get paired.

Ceders and I are still in the opening though - funny enough, he played the KG Muzio against me. 😛
I won my games while blitzing the moves...not even blitzing...I was just pushing wood basically.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
I won my games while blitzing the moves...not even blitzing...I was just pushing wood basically.
Well you aren't paired with Ceders. 😛

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
Well you aren't paired with Ceders. 😛
Ahh..I could beat him the same way *looks around*


...don't tell him I said that. 😛

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Originally posted by tomtom232
Ahh..I could beat him the same way *looks around*


...don't tell him I said that. 😛
lmao, I'm gonna tell him.

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
lmao, I'm gonna tell him.
Well, I did show him up once in a chess problem from the sac clans private forums, but he is over 1800 and although I think I could make that, I don't think I can make it any day soon. (mostly because I resigned almost all my games 😲 )

EDIT: I accidentally said over 2000 😳

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Originally posted by tomtom232
Well, I did show him up once in a chess problem from the sac clans private forums, but he is over 2000 and although I think I could make that, I don't think I can make it any day soon. (mostly because I resigned almost all my games 😲 )
I think he's *only* 1800 or 1900 actually.

Just checked - 1846

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Originally posted by cmsMaster
I think he's *only* 1800 or 1900 actually.

Just checked - 1846
I know...for some reason when I posted over 2000 I was thinking of shakur because of a recent thread where I analyzed a game between him and zebano...weird, I know.