sagator

Originally posted by DanTriola
In support of Jan, I just do not understand all the leeway given on the forum by some to Kings & Pawns. The guy made 400+ moves in January, and did not even start moving until the second week! (Winter Break.)
And you, Paul, as a USCF member, should be aware of the incongruities of K&P's "persona". The pretense of being a 78 (or 79 by now) American chess s of leukemia do not recur. They just never go away, This I know from personal experience.

Come on old chap, this could be very bad form if you're wrong. I agree that it's perhaps unusual that a man of his age could retain such a consistently high level of play, but stranger things have happened. I for one believe that out of respect for his claimed age, and the condition he's suffering, we ought to at least give him in the benefit of the doubt.

Also, unless you're a physician or expert in medicine, I really wouldn't make sweeping statements about any kind of illness - a quick Google will show you that not all cases of such a complicated condition are absolute.

Originally posted by DanTriola
In support of Jan, I just do not understand all the leeway given on the forum by some to Kings & Pawns. The guy made 400+ moves in January, and did not even start moving until the second week! (Winter Break.)
And you, Paul, as a USCF member, should be aware of the incongruities of K&P's "persona". The pretense of being a 78 (or 79 by now) American chess s of leukemia do not recur. They just never go away, This I know from personal experience.

The only point I made is that a tournament start can explain why someone would have a relatively large number of moves in a short period of time, and the period under discussion was not the 400+ moves made in January (it was 42 moves made in 48 hours, which really isn't all that difficult, depending on where you are in each game and the strength of your opponent. I can do 42 moves in an hour if we're still in the early stage of the opening in each game).

I don't know how you read so much into it. And whether or not anyone is a member of a national chess organization doesn't really make a difference.

I should add, though, that there are many players in Florida, USA who are in their 60's and 70's, who could perform the feat. There are so many older players in Florida that the US Senior Open is practically the Florida Senior Open with a few Guests invited!

In my local club, I'm 46, and only the presence of a kid that comes every week keeps me from being the youngest player there.

I have no idea how old K&P is, and don't care really, but I have a friend at the club who is in his 70's and on dialysis, and scored 50% in the US Open with a sub-1500 rating. Sometimes older sick guys can be really motivated.

Bottom line, my point wasn't about K&P per se, and it would be an incorrect interpretation to read it otherwise.

Originally posted by DanTriola
But, do not believe that someone with CLL and 78+ years can play at the rate and level that he does.
And, to correct K&P's profile, Chronic forms of leukemia do not recur. They just never go away, This I know from personal experience.

Well your personal experience is at odds with

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/Leukemia-ChronicLymphocyticCLL/DetailedGuide/leukemia-chronic-lymphocytic-after-follow-up

Treatment of CLL is not expected to cure the disease. This means that even if there are no signs of leukemia after treatment (known as a complete remission), the leukemia is likely to come back again (recur) at some point.

Originally posted by DR85
Come on old chap, this could be very bad form if you're wrong. I agree that it's perhaps unusual that a man of his age could retain such a consistently high level of play, but stranger things have happened. I for one believe that out of respect for his claimed age, and the condition he's suffering, we ought to at least give him in the benefit of the doubt.

A ...[text shortened]... quick Google will show you that not all cases of such a complicated condition are absolute.

Actually, I am. Over 37 years as an MD. And, my dad had CLL as well.
I only know that which K&P has put on record, and there is one contradiction after another. I cannot go into detail. But, I would not chance an affront to a truly old and ill person if I was not 100% convinced of the subterfuge.
I have nothing against a fake profile. I've even posted one here myself a few years ago, tongue in cheek, when I was in the clan Alter Ego; as a joke on the clan name, and to remind people that you cannot believe what you are told on a internet site! As a bonus, I had a at least one opponent believe my false profile. Mariska Angela. It was especially funny, as i did not believe her's.
What I object to is his hiding behind a profile that elicits the response you have just expressed. Very clever, but an insult to the elderly American chess players that Paul Leggett has just cited. I know a lot of them myself. But in Pennsylvania and New York, not Florida.

It is all getting murky.

I'll do my best to explain the history.

Someone noticed K & P's original profile picture appeared somewhere else.
Big deal. Most of you are that ugly you never post your real picture.

So a few jokes were cracked.

Suddenly up pops this other lad whose profile stated he was off exploring
Africa and had not moved for months claiming the picture was indeed K & P.
Then K & P said it was indeed a picture of him.

The person who took the picture, a Brazilian, says it is a snap his
non chess playing Grandad. So we have wee fibs in the profile.
Usually that is the trademark of an imposter....Usually, not always.

The fuss ran on for a few weeks then died down.

I've just noticed the new K & P profile.

This now takes it to a new level.
I'm thinking it is perhaps best if the matter was dropped and we wish K & P
all the best and good luck in his private battle ahead.

Originally posted by adramforall
Well your personal experience is at odds with

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/Leukemia-ChronicLymphocyticCLL/DetailedGuide/leukemia-chronic-lymphocytic-after-follow-up

Treatment of CLL is not expected to cure the disease. This means that even if there are no signs of leukemia after treatment (known as a complete remission), the leukemia is likely to come back again [b](recur) at some point.[/b]

Adram,
I can only say that you are semantically correct. But medically speaking, CLL remains always. Most people do not die of it. It is a disorder that occurs in older individuals and thus they die of something else before the disease wears them down to the point where they succumb. And suppression of the lymphocyte count requires constant treatment, usually with Prednisone, which has its own health problems.
Technically, the disease is suppressed, not in remission, as other malignancies can be. In fact, like polycythemia, CLL is not actually a neoplasm. CML, chronic myelogenous leukemia, is another animal in that it more likely to result in death. But, it does not last as long in the individual as he's more likely to die of it. But again, it is merely a proliferation of one cell type in the hematological system, as is CLL and polycythemia. (Which I, personally, have.)

Originally posted by greenpawn34
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I'm thinking it is perhaps best if the matter was dropped and we wish K & P
all the best and good luck in his private battle ahead.

Greenpawn,
You are a nice guy.
I'm not.
But then, I've said my piece.
"Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown"

Dan - we all see where you're coming from, on the face of things, K&P is an extraordinary and intriguing entity and there are many possibilities and much room for conspiracy theory and even a little conjecture on all our parts.

Thing is friend, you've just told us all you're an MD of 37 years, and, although I for one am not doubting that -you're still a man from the internet and it's almost impossible for you to prove your identity (and/or occupation) to us, because, no matter how many links or credentials you throw up, you're still a man from the internet.

So is K&P. We'll never know for sure who is, nor who anybody else here is, really, not without attending meets/playing each other OTB etc.

Therefore, given the circumstances, we just have to let it go - it would be horrible if you're wrong, if merely for the fact you may end up feeling pretty bad about it.

Dan.

would cheating make me famous?

PS sagator is not cheating!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DR85
Dan - ...
Thing is friend, you've just told us all you're an MD of 37 years, and, although I for one am not doubting that -you're still a man from the internet and it's almost impossible for you to prove your identity (and/or occupation) to us, because, no matter how many links or credentials you throw up, you're still a man from the internet.
...

Dan.

Good for you!
I thought it obvious, so i did not point that out.
Believe nothing!
The Dude: "They're nihilists, man! They believe in nothing!"
Donnie: "They're Nazis, Dude?"
...
Walter: "Say what you want about National Socialism. At least it's an ethos."

However, I do have a consistent back-story.
Unlike some.

Greenpawn we salute you.

Hans Berliner

Originally posted by Paul Leggett
Sez the trapmeister...oh please!

Accused Player of the Week

That's a good one.. if only it were real.

Originally posted by Exuma
Hans Berliner

Funny you should mention him. He was a member of the Pittsburgh CC, and once told me, when i was starting CC play, that a good CC player averages about 4 hours work on each move. "Patience" he said, "is most important."