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  1. Standard member Icky Ike
    Pro-Complainer
    11 Oct '06 04:40 / 1 edit
    The outcome of the last regular game of the championship will certainly hail controversy in regards to game 5...

    1. Kramnik wins:
    -a Topalov accepts defeat. Kramnik becomes unified champion and the chess world is appeased.

    -b Topalov crew decides to alienate themselves completely by further arguing that Kramnik cheated. Nobody listens.

    2. Draw:
    -a Tiebreakers are played and won by Kramnik.

    -b Tiebreakers are played and won by Topolav. Kramnik appeals to FIDE for the refacilitation of game 5:

    --1 FIDE refuses. Kramnik refuses to accept decision. Titles remain seperate. Chess world in uproar. Unification becomes an even more unattainable future for chess.

    --2 FIDE accepts. Kramnik needs only to draw with white pieces if Topalov will even agree to play. Chess world treated to extra games between two celebrated champions.

    --3 Another rediculous proxi-compromise is reached. (i.e. Kramnik must wear an eyepatch over one eye and must look toward the floor while Topalov's time is running) Chess world is outraged regardless of outcome.

    3. Topolav wins:
    -a Topolav refuses to play game 5. Chess world splits.

    -b Topolav agrees to play game 5:

    --1 Kramnik wins. Tiebreakers must be played or utter chaos will ensue.

    --2 Topalov wins or draws and is named champion. Chess world remains bitter remembering the tactics used by Topalov's team to put illegal psychological pressure on Kramnik. World waits for rematch and/or the Russian mafia to do what the Russian mafia does best.

    WHO'S HOPING FOR WHAT!!!???
  2. Standard member Icky Ike
    Pro-Complainer
    11 Oct '06 04:41
    1A - ALL THE WAY!!!
  3. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    11 Oct '06 06:03
    rediculous
  4. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    11 Oct '06 11:31
    Originally posted by XanthosNZ
    rediculous
    Is that Diculous all over again?
  5. Standard member Gatecrasher
    Whale watching
    11 Oct '06 11:44 / 1 edit
    Kramnik had every opportunity to play game 5. Forfeiting was a stupid thing to do - a tactical blunder. If Topolov wins the last game or a tiebreak if the game is drawn, he is champion in my eyes.

    A post-match appeal to FIDE will go nowhere. The result of game 5 will stand.

    But I'm rather hoping that Kramnik wins the last game (or tiebreak), because despite his foolishness, he will have proven himself the champion - on the board.
  6. 11 Oct '06 11:59
    Originally posted by Gatecrasher

    ...he will have proven himself the champion - on the board.
    So assuming that Topalov wins the championship, do you consider him as the champion 'on the board'?
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    11 Oct '06 12:20
    Originally posted by Gatecrasher
    Kramnik had every opportunity to play game 5. Forfeiting was a stupid thing to do - a tactical blunder. If Topolov wins the last game or a tiebreak if the game is drawn, he is champion in my eyes.

    A post-match appeal to FIDE will go nowhere. The result of game 5 will stand.

    But I'm rather hoping that Kramnik wins the last game (or tiebreak), because despite his foolishness, he will have proven himself the champion - on the board.
    Perhaps kramnik forfeiting was a "stupid thing to do" but the fact remains that A) Topalov classlessly refused to replay Game 5 though given the opportunity to; and B) Kramnik has won one more game OTB. If B remains true, I don't see how Topalov is a legitimate champ.
  8. 11 Oct '06 14:09
    Kramnik is a better rapid chess player than Topalov.....although im rather hoping he wins tomorrow and wont have to go through that farce.
  9. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    11 Oct '06 14:27
    Originally posted by Gatecrasher
    Kramnik had every opportunity to play game 5. Forfeiting was a stupid thing to do - a tactical blunder. If Topolov wins the last game or a tiebreak if the game is drawn, he is champion in my eyes.

    A post-match appeal to FIDE will go nowhere. The result of game 5 will stand.

    But I'm rather hoping that Kramnik wins the last game (or tiebreak), because despite his foolishness, he will have proven himself the champion - on the board.
    exactly what I was thinking.
  10. 11 Oct '06 14:31
    Originally posted by Bedlam
    Kramnik is a better rapid chess player than Topalov.....although im rather hoping he wins tomorrow and wont have to go through that farce.
    I've not seen any stats, but I really expect the opposite. Especially considering how Topalov has banged out his moves so far....
  11. 11 Oct '06 14:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zebano
    I've not seen any stats, but I really expect the opposite. Especially considering how Topalov has banged out his moves so far....
    I thought the same thing.

    But the general impression I have found upon doing some searching is that Kramnik is indeed a very accomplished Rapid and Blitz player. With more than a couple of such tournament victories.

    Perhaps Kramnik has just been wise to use as much time as he feels is needed to win. Note: his flag has not fallen in any of the games.
  12. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Oct '06 15:21
    Originally posted by Bedlam
    Kramnik is a better rapid chess player than Topalov.....although im rather hoping he wins tomorrow and wont have to go through that farce.
    i think rapid play is an ability ALL the strong players i have known have ... i do not see it as a farce - i would like to see a rapid play component of all future championships.

    not just a last minute coin toss, but as a meaningful component of the match.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    11 Oct '06 15:50
    Originally posted by flexmore
    i think rapid play is an ability ALL the strong players i have known have ... i do not see it as a farce - i would like to see a rapid play component of all future championships.

    not just a last minute coin toss, but as a meaningful component of the match.
    What a remarkably stupid idea.
  14. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    11 Oct '06 15:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    What a remarkably stupid idea.
    thank you for remarking on my idea - i take it as a compliment

    of course i would not like to see it based only on fast games - but 1/3 of the championship could be based on fast games - we would really find out who knows how to play chess that way.
  15. 11 Oct '06 15:56
    If it goes to tiebreak, I really hope that the 4 rapidplay games will be sufficient to determine the winner.

    Otherwise it will come down to a couple of blitz games and if they're tied, a 6 minute versus 5 minute game in which a draw counts as a win for Black! The odds favour the Black player so much in that scenario, that whoever is given that colour (presumably by tossing a coin) is very likely to emerge as the World Champion. So effectively the title would be determined by a coin toss.