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@sonhouse saidYou have no idea what goes on between God and those that belong to Him. You never will either as you automatically reject anything remotely connected to God.
TRUTH? When was the last time your god talked to you directly?
Religion is in the eye of the beholder, nothing more.
@sonhouse saidNo need to look for something I have already found, no need to search for anything that answers my questions when I have it.
@KellyJay
Sure, when HUMANS tell me all about your gods. Don't forget, your religion is not the only 'god' floating around. Of course your stance is OUR god is the only TRUE god and all those other gods are fake or from the Devil.
Funny part about that is those other religions think THEIR god is the only TRUE god and YOUR god is the fake one.
You don't see a problem wit ...[text shortened]... warm fuzzy feeling of someone having their backs even though nothing like that is going on for real,
@kellyjay saidYou have a fantasy that will remain a fantasy because being religious MEANS you can never change your stance. For you GODIDIT, yesterday you believed it, today you believe it, and in 20 years you will still believe it no matter WHAT science turns up in the meantime.
No need to look for something I have already found, no need to search for anything that answers my questions when I have it.
You keep telling me about your hopes that someday science will answer your questions, I already have that.
@sonhouse saidI believe in God, no problem saying that, it isn't a fantasy. You keep making claims about what science will find, discover, uncover, pick a term. It is as if you know what the future holds (you don't), and if it doesn't find anything new in 20 years from now, you will be doing the same.
You have a fantasy that will remain a fantasy because being religious MEANS you can never change your stance. For you GODIDIT, yesterday you believed it, today you believe it, and in 20 years you will still believe it no matter WHAT science turns up in the meantime.
I think humanity will be held down by religion till they chuck the shackles of dead religion and begin to think for themselves. I guess for you that would be a day in hell.
@kellyjay saidOk, thanks for that. It's just in the field of religion each one says THEY are the only true religion and when folks outside that looks at it they see hypocrisy or downright lying.
I believe in God, no problem saying that, it isn't a fantasy. You keep making claims about what science will find, discover, uncover, pick a term. It is as if you know what the future holds (you don't), and if it doesn't find anything new in 20 years from now, you will be doing the same.
Don't forget you are not putting your faith in science, only those that do science th ...[text shortened]... than some of the other posters that popped into this discussion could manage, I admire you for that!
@sonhouse saidI agree with much of what you are saying even here! There are a lot of different religions, even in Christianity there are so many various versions it is mind numbing. There is so much hypocrisy and downright lying as well. People are making money off of religion, they do this by telling people what they want to hear or scaring them by claiming this, that, or the other thing. I think religion sucks, it is a poison that helps put chains on ourselves, but that isn't where the truth of it all resides, it just covers up the truth in a mountain of man's lies, making it a circus like spectacle many times over.
Ok, thanks for that. It's just in the field of religion each one says THEY are the only true religion and when folks outside that looks at it they see hypocrisy or downright lying.
You swear YOUR religion is the only true one yet other religions say THEY are the true religion.
So to rationalize that bit, you will bring up,' God gave us free will' which I would say BS. ...[text shortened]... ill? Where is the free will in THAT tale? Doesn't sound even remotely like free will going on there.
@sonhouse saidIf we are programmed by natural processes, you think we can program ourselves to do what we want? Water doesn't rise above it's source, you think if evolution is true that we all come from a common lifeform, we can rise above our programming, by what human ID?
@KellyJay
What chance do we have of wiping out the genes proven to be inside all of us from Neandertals? Or is that something you can't accept since that would go against the 6000 year old Earth? All of us have Neandertal genes, except for most Africans. Now we find genes proven to be from yet another early human variant, Denosovans, it seems we bred with them also. These are events from a hundred thousand years ago to maybe 30,000 years ago.
@kellyjay saidWe have already raised ourselves if you haven't noticed. Take a look at where we were in the year1019 Verses 2019. You have to agree it is our own science of medicine and nutrition, we have gone from a lifespan of maybe 40 years to more like 80 on average.
If we are programmed by natural processes, you think we can program ourselves to do what we want? Water doesn't rise above it's source, you think if evolution is true that we all come from a common lifeform, we can rise above our programming, by what human ID?
@sonhouse saidNo, if we are products of materialist evolution, than everything that is us, has been programmed into us, there would be no outside forces independent from natural causes or internal ones free of what has been programmed into us.
We have already raised ourselves if you haven't noticed. Take a look at where we were in the year1019 Verses 2019. You have to agree it is our own science of medicine and nutrition, we have gone from a lifespan of maybe 40 years to more like 80 on average.
That was not from the intersession of a god that was from hard work of generations of scientists and in some regards ...[text shortened]... , organic chemistry, geology, EVERYTHING in science as we know it today and learning every day also.
@sonhouse saidI don't know how you arrive at your conclusions about what should have happen when, do you have some insight into all the how and whys in a non-guided process as natural section can input science into anything? Modern brains are just the hardware of our physical bodies, having a great brain doesn't do anything for us by itself!
@KellyJay
That's all well and good but for the one million years plus humans or near humans have been around. If we were programmed to advance scientifically, it should have happened ten thousand years ago or 100,000 years ago when humans with modern brains started showing up.
There was basically learning say about nutritional value of plants back a million years ago an ...[text shortened]... ur modern world for literally 100,000 years of there being humans with brains just as smart as ours.
@kellyjay saidThe point is, even humans with modern brains 100,000 years ago, it took till just a few hundred years ago to start science. Tens of thousands of years went by with not much in the way of technology change, somewhat better stone tools and such but that is about all then in a sudden rush, it all comes together as we see it today.
I don't know how you arrive at your conclusions about what should have happen when, do you have some insight into all the how and whys in a non-guided process as natural section can input science into anything? Modern brains are just the hardware of our physical bodies, having a great brain doesn't do anything for us by itself!
You should know that hardware is always befo ...[text shortened]... s to figure that out, couldn't have been to long if true, they all would died off without offspring.