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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSo putting it into human terms.
Man are you thick.
I learned early on at rhp that you dont discuss your spiritual ideas unless they fit in with current scientific thinking. If a well founded theory denies your theory then you lose. Full stop .
These other guys are just being too nice I think. I remember get drilled by the likes of sharkman and twitehead.
There is a chance in ...[text shortened]... eories are faulty but until you come up with something better, my money is on science everytime.
Do you not think that God could construct the perfect computer model for the big bang and model every aspect of the universe would turn out up to the exact point of creation? Do you not think that God would then want to create that perfectly modeled universe when bringing this universe into being?
Do you not believe that an all powerful all knowing God would be able to create such a universe?
If this is true, then those who determine the age of the universe are simply following God's model back to the model's original time. In the case of the high diver, following the equations back to negative time back to ground level.
Originally posted by @eladarYes "God" could create a universe like that, but not the universe described by ..err. you.
So putting it into human terms.
Do you not think that God could construct the perfect computer model for the big bang and model every aspect of the universe would turn out up to the exact point of creation? Do you not think that God would then want to create that perfectly modeled universe when bringing this universe into being?
Do you not believe that an all powerful all knowing God would be able to create such a universe?
Either "God" created a universe consistent with our scientific findings or science is wrong and "God" created Adam and Eve,etc.
You cant have both
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelScience is simply dating back what had already been created. The fault isn't with science, but assumptions about things that were never witnessed.
Yes "God" could create a universe like that, but not the universe described by ..err. you.
Either "God" created a universe consistent with our scientific findings or science is wrong and "God" created Adam and Eve,etc.
You cant have both
Originally posted by @eladarIt's true science does mainly measure and classify things. (observe things)
Science is simply dating back what had already been created. The fault isn't with science, but assumptions about things that were never witnessed.
Are there things beyond science? I believe so.
Will they forever be beyond science? I dont think so.
Unlike religious thought, which remains more or less the same, scientific thinking will change as we make new discoveries.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelSo you think that Science can uncover God if God doesn't want to reveal Himself?
It's true science does mainly measure and classify things. (observe things)
Are there things beyond science? I believe so.
Will they forever be beyond science? I dont think so.
Unlike religious thought, which remains more or less the same, scientific thinking will change as we make new discoveries.
If God is doing the revealing, then Science isn't doing it.
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Originally posted by @wildgrassScience is valid for what it observes. If it is not directly observable, then it is just a natural explanation.
Science is a method, not a religion. Stop conflating the two.
Once you take the step that it invalidates a religious belief, now you have entered the realm of religion. Once you claim that the natural explanation is true and not simply an explanation, youhave entered the realm of religion.
You are correct, Science is a method. That's exactly what I have been saying. People simply do not recognize the limits of those observations and turn it into a part of their religion.
Originally posted by @eladarIn my experience, most people do recognize the limits of science. Put the "know" in one basket and the "don't know" in the other. Refine and adjust the "know" based on new information and techniques. Whittle away at the "don't know" with innovative, testable hypotheses. Keep conclusions within reasonable limits and allow for the possibility that you are wrong.
You are correct, Science is a method. That's exactly what I have been saying. People simply do not recognize the limits of those observations and turn it into a part of their religion.
Originally posted by @wildgrassSo in your experience people do not claim that Science disproves Creation as described in Genesis?
In my experience, most people do recognize the limits of science. Put the "know" in one basket and the "don't know" in the other. Refine and adjust the "know" based on new information and techniques. Whittle away at the "don't know" with innovative, testable hypotheses. Keep conclusions within reasonable limits and allow for the possibility that you are wrong.
Originally posted by @eladarGenesis is a series of commands, not really relevant to science. I've always liked it, personally, as a metaphor.
So in your experience people do not claim that Science disproves Creation as described in Genesis?
If you really want to keep at this though: Point me to a testable hypothesis in Genesis, and we can apply the scientific method.
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Originally posted by @wildgrassWhy should I be asked to defend a religious belief that can't be disproven by science?
Genesis is a series of commands, not really relevant to science. I've always liked it, personally, as a metaphor.
If you really want to keep at this though: Point me to a testable hypothesis in Genesis, and we can apply the scientific method.
Answer this yes or no question please.
Can science disprove the creation account found in the Bible?
Personally I couldn't care less about your personal religious beliefs.
u`uOriginally posted by @eladarI dont know how to tell you this , but here goes :
So you think that Science can uncover God if God doesn't want to reveal Himself?
If God is doing the revealing, then Science isn't doing it.
There is no god as you imagine.
Rest assured your mind is in a good place trying to work this out ...
you are trying to work it out aren't you? 🙂
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou are welcome to your beliefs.
I dont know how to tell you this , but here goes :
There is no god as you imagine.
Rest assured your mind is in a good place trying to work this out ...
you are trying to work it out aren't you? 🙂
Do you believe scientific explanations of the origins of life are any more than a natural explanation?