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    04 Oct '17 11:22
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    As do you.
    I skip it if you skip it.
    I just asked if anyone has an explamation for where energy or matter origonally came onto existence.

    You are just defensive.
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    04 Oct '17 11:31
    Originally posted by @eladar
    I just asked if anyone has an explamation for where energy or matter origonally came onto existence.

    You are just defensive.
    I am defensive against mosquitoes too...

    I don't think you will accept any answers if it doens't include 'goddidit'.
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    04 Oct '17 12:464 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    So you argue even though there is no explanation
    if there is "no explanation" then goddidit is not an explanation. One logically and necessarily entails the other.
    So saying that there is currently "no explanation" doesn't help you with your Goddidit here just like it wouldn't have helped you when the natural cause of rainbows was unknown and for the same reason.
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    04 Oct '17 12:47
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    I am defensive against mosquitoes too...

    I don't think you will accept any answers if it doens't include 'goddidit'.
    No, I will accept your answers if they are repeatable.
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    04 Oct '17 13:16
    Originally posted by @eladar
    No, I will accept your answers if they are repeatable.
    So you don't suddenly believe in the genesis according to your black book? Because it is not repeatable?

    Well done! You've learnt something today!
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    04 Oct '17 17:09
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    So you don't suddenly believe in the genesis according to your black book? Because it is not repeatable?

    Well done! You've learnt something today!
    Let me know when something repeatable negates genesis.
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    04 Oct '17 19:18
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Let me know when something repeatable negates genesis.
    an event doesn't have to be repeatable to be scientifically and rationally known to be so for there can exist indirect evidence combined with deduction which is just as valid as direct evidence. Such evidence disproves the literal interpretation of the Bible. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_(astrophysics) thus the Earth took more than 7 days to form.
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    04 Oct '17 19:19
    Originally posted by @humy
    an event doesn't have to be repeatable to be scientifically and rationally known to be so for there can exist indirect evidence combined with deduction which is just as valid as direct evidence. Such evidence disproves the literal interpretation of the Bible. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_(astrophysics) thus the Earth took more than 7 days to form.
    Thanks for sharing your religious beliefs.
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    04 Oct '17 19:24
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Thanks for sharing your religious beliefs.
    so believing scientific facts based on the evidence is religious beliefs; got that.
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    05 Oct '17 00:08
    Originally posted by @humy
    so believing scientific facts based on the evidence is religious beliefs; got that.
    Scientific facts are repeatable.
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    05 Oct '17 02:19
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Unless the other end of the black hole is a big bang of a new universe, then everything is eventually recycled.
    Not to mention the, as yet, undiscovered white holes.
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    05 Oct '17 06:151 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Scientific facts are repeatable.
    the evidence proving the scientific facts about an unrepeatable event are repeatable, not the unrepeatable event itself that evidence is about;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
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    05 Oct '17 06:26
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    Not to mention the, as yet, undiscovered white holes.
    interestingly, there is a hypothesized existence of a (brief) white hole but so far this has not been verified because difficult to verify

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRB_060614
    "...it was hypothesised that the burst was a white hole appearing for 102 seconds..."
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    05 Oct '17 06:55
    Originally posted by @humy
    interestingly, there is a hypothesized existence of a (brief) white hole but so far this has not been verified because difficult to verify

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRB_060614
    "...it was hypothesised that the burst was a white hole appearing for 102 seconds..."
    If we skip speculations - what is a white hole?
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    05 Oct '17 07:271 edit
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    If we skip speculations - what is a white hole?
    I found this;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole
    "... In general relativity, a white hole is a hypothetical region of spacetime which cannot be entered from the outside, although matter and light can escape from it. ..."

    I don't pretend to be even close to being an expert on this.
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