03 Feb 20
@sonhouse saidI never said "create".
@Metal-Brain
It is still bullshyte to say TD CREATES gravity since gravity AND TD are created by MASS.
MASS is the fundamental effecting spacetime. Without mass you get no TD OR gravity. Tell me if you can, what is your motive for bringing this all up anyway? Do you know yourself well enough to elucidate that?
" Without mass you get no TD OR gravity."
I agree with that. That much you have right. I'm not sure if you got the rest right or not. Let's find out.
Which of the following statements is true?
Time dilation (caused by mass) is gravity.
Gravity causes time dilation.
Time dilation causes gravity.
03 Feb 20
@Metal-Brain
None of the above.
MASS causes TD
MASS causes GRAVITY
Therefore MASS is the fundamental NOT TD OR GRAVITY.
TD and gravity are just bends in spacetime.
Mass attracts spacetime.
If you attract spacetime you get time flow change and gravity.
That is the bottom line.
04 Feb 20
@sonhouse saidMASS causes TD
@Metal-Brain
None of the above.
MASS causes TD
MASS causes GRAVITY
Therefore MASS is the fundamental NOT TD OR GRAVITY.
TD and gravity are just bends in spacetime.
Mass attracts spacetime.
If you attract spacetime you get time flow change and gravity.
That is the bottom line.
MASS causes GRAVITY
We have already established that.
You used to say gravity causes time dilation. Now you will not say that anymore. Apparently you have accepted Brian Greene was right all along. That means you have accepted I have been right all along. It just pains you to admit it.
04 Feb 20
@metal-brain saidYou are NOW finally saying GRAVITY DOES causes TD just like Brian Greene and us science experts would say? So you NOW accept Brian Greene and other scientists are right to think gravity DOES causes TD?
You used to say gravity causes time dilation. Now you will not say that anymore. Apparently you have accepted Brian Greene was right all along.
Previously you denied this and claimed that TD causes gravity.
So you finally admit you were wrong all the long and we were right all the long. Thank you.
05 Feb 20
@humy saidYou are lying again. I NEVER said gravity causes time dilation and Brian Greene never said that either.
You are NOW finally saying GRAVITY DOES causes TD just like Brian Greene and us science experts would say? So you NOW accept Brian Greene and other scientists are right to think gravity DOES causes TD?
Previously you denied this and claimed that TD causes gravity.
So you finally admit you were wrong all the long and we were right all the long. Thank you.
You are a liar!
@metal-brain saidThis is your previous quote but with my emphases;
You are lying again. I NEVER said gravity causes time dilation and Brian Greene never said that either.
You are a liar!
" ... You used to say gravity causes time dilation. Now you will not say that anymore. Apparently you have accepted Brian Greene was right all along. ..."
So first you said Sonhouse USED to say gravity causes time dilation (and in error according to you) BUT now Sonhouse has "accepted Brian Greene was right all along" about "gravity causes time dilation" which means you have just said and admitted in that post that gravity causes time dilation else how can it be that, just as you just claimed, "Brian Greene was right all along" about "gravity causes time dilation" if it is NOT true that gravity causes time dilation ?
So, it is you have lied; You DID in effect say "gravity causes time dilation" and that this is the position of Brian Greene. Thus you have finally admitted you were wrong all the time. Thank you.
09 Feb 20
@humy saidYou are a liar!
This is your previous quote but with my emphases;
" ... You used to say gravity causes time dilation. Now you will not say that anymore. Apparently you have accepted Brian Greene was right all along. ..."
So first you said Sonhouse USED to say gravity causes time dilation (and in error according to you) BUT now Sonhouse has "[b]accepted Brian Greene w ...[text shortened]... the position of Brian Greene. Thus you have finally admitted you were wrong all the time. Thank you.
I NEVER said gravity caused time dilation. I have been very consistent in saying the opposite is true. You are a pathological liar!
@metal-brain saidI just showed you where you very clearly implied you had and, not only that, you clearly implied that is the position of Brian Greene.
You are a liar!
I NEVER said gravity caused time dilation.
Which part/parts of your above quote I quoted with emphasis do you say is wrong?
09 Feb 20
@humy said"You used to say gravity causes time dilation. Now you will not say that anymore. Apparently you have accepted Brian Greene was right all along."
I just showed you where you very clearly implied you had and, not only that, you clearly implied that is the position of Brian Greene.
Which part/parts of your above quote I quoted with emphasis do you say is wrong?
Where in that quote did I say gravity causes time dilation? I pointed out that he used to say gravity causes time dilation and now he will not say that anymore. Because he will not say that anymore he must agree with Brian Greene who clearly says time dilation causes gravity.
Learn to read!
@metal-brain saidYou clearly imply it from that above quote of yours.
"You used to say gravity causes time dilation. Now you will not say that anymore. Apparently you have accepted Brian Greene was right all along."
Where in that quote did I say gravity causes time dilation?
Because he will not say that anymore he must agree with Brian Greene who clearly says time dilation causes gravity.
1, As I pointed out before, Brian Greene does NOT agree that time dilation causes gravity and you have never stated or shown an exact quote from Greene that says/implies "clearly says time dilation causes gravity" despite my numerous requests for you to do so thus proving you are lying about that. I have now watched that video about an hour in just like you requested and I STILL don't see, like you claimed, where he said/implied where, according to you, he said/implied time dilation causes gravity. If you deny this, either just give us the exact quote where he DID said/implied time dilation causes gravity or just state to the minute exactly where in the video he said/implied this. If you are telling the truth, it should be a cinch for you to do either one of those two things, which so far you have refused to and we all know why; you are obviously lying and now you fool nobody here.
2, Therefore, if Sonhouse agrees with what probably Greene believes about this, that means he probably agrees with what probably Greene believes which is time dilation doesn't cause gravity. So you have shown no evidence that Sonhouse disagrees with Greene on anything even if you have fooled him into thinking he does.
3, I haven't seen any post where Sonhouse said/implied that time dilation causes gravity. So I so far have seen no evidence that he would agree with that.
09 Feb 20
@humy saidBullcrap! I implied nothing of the sort. Learn to read!
You clearly imply it from that above quote of yours.
Because he will not say that anymore he must agree with Brian Greene who clearly says time dilation causes gravity.
1, As I pointed out before, Brian Greene does NOT agree that time dilation causes gravity and you have never stated or shown an exact quote from Greene that says/implies "clearly says time ...[text shortened]... that time dilation causes gravity. So I so far have seen no evidence that he would agree with that.
"As I pointed out before, Brian Greene does NOT agree that time dilation causes gravity and you have never stated or shown an exact quote from Greene that says/implies "clearly says time dilation causes gravity"
He didn't have to use those exact words, he obviously is talking about time dilation. Only a moron would think otherwise. If you insist on falsely claiming he is was talking about something else what is it?
@metal-brain saidYour completely stupid straw man; OF COURSE he was "talking about time dilation" and neither I or anyone here ever said/implied otherwise.
He didn't have to use those exact words, he obviously is talking about time dilation. Only a moron would think otherwise.
The fact remains he never said/implied, like you claim, that time dilation causes gravity. I now have watched that part of the video and confirmed for myself, just like was completely obvious well before I watched it, you clearly lied about that else you would have obviously stated his exact quote implying that.
09 Feb 20
@humy saidDo you remember the part where he says the math proves that things move where time passes slower?
Your completely stupid straw man; OF COURSE he was "talking about time dilation" and neither I or anyone here ever said/implied otherwise.
The fact remains he never said/implied, like you claim, that time dilation causes gravity. I now have watched that part of the video and confirmed for myself, just like was completely obvious well before I watched it, you clearly lied about that else you would have obviously stated his exact quote implying that.
@metal-brain saidApparently you didn't understand anything he said.
Do you remember the part where he says the math proves that things move where time passes slower?
Did anyone suggest/think that "things" might NOT "move where time passes slower"!?
And what has that got to do with what we were just talking about?