17 Feb 20
@metal-brain saidAnswer; Gravity causes time dilation.
Then surely you can explain WHY it is relevant if time dilation doesn't cause gravity. What is the relevance you are claiming?
Next stupid quation...
@metal-brain saidgeneral relativity explains why; more specifically, and as I learned when I was at university, when applying the principle of relativity while assuming c is constant for all observers, to accelerating frames of reference. Time dilation can be deduced to occur from assuming c is constant in accelerating frames of reference and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity. That is both my explanation and that of science.
explain why
Obviously, from your many posts, we can deduce you are incapable of being willing let alone being able to understand that or any other real explanation for it, but its not possible to dumb that down for you without making it too simplistic and that's your problem, not ours.
17 Feb 20
@humy said"and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity"
general relativity explains why; more specifically, and as I learned when I was at university, when applying the principle of relativity while assuming c is constant for all observers, to accelerating frames of reference. Time dilation can be deduced to occur from assuming c is constant in accelerating frames of reference and thus time dilation should be observed with the effect ...[text shortened]... ssible to dumb that down for you without making it too simplistic and that's your problem, not ours.
What is your source of information? I think you made that up.
@metal-brain saidIts a matter of knowledge of basic physics + deduction, BOTH or which I just given to your.
"and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity"
What is your source of information?
Its not my problem if you cannot handle such things.
20 Feb 20
@humy said"and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity"
general relativity explains why; more specifically, and as I learned when I was at university, when applying the principle of relativity while assuming c is constant for all observers, to accelerating frames of reference. Time dilation can be deduced to occur from assuming c is constant in accelerating frames of reference and thus time dilation should be observed with the effect ...[text shortened]... ssible to dumb that down for you without making it too simplistic and that's your problem, not ours.
What is your source of information? Not being able to prove your claim makes you appear to be a liar.
24 Feb 20
@metal-brain saidThe full sentence was:
"and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity"
What is your source of information? I think you made that up.
Time dilation can be deduced to occur from assuming c is constant in accelerating frames of reference and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity.
In the first part of the sentence he says that time dilation can be deduced from the constancy of the speed of light in accelerated frames of reference. Implicitly, the other leg of the syllogism is the Principle of Equivalence, which is that an observer in a small box cannot distinguish between a kinematic acceleration and a gravitational field, but takes his first statement in conjunction with that to get his conclusion. So it's already in his post.
@deepthought saidExactly! It is at least in large part just a matter of deduction.
The full sentence was:Time dilation can be deduced to occur from assuming c is constant in accelerating frames of reference and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity.
In the first part of the sentence he says that time dilation can be deduced from the constancy of the speed of light in accelerated frames of reference. Implicit ...[text shortened]... es his first statement in conjunction with that to get his conclusion. So it's already in his post.
As usual, I have already answered his question that he angrily claims I never answered and shouts "Liar".
As we all already noticed, he also does that very often to other people here.
27 Feb 20
@deepthought said"time dilation can be deduced from the constancy of the speed of light"
The full sentence was:Time dilation can be deduced to occur from assuming c is constant in accelerating frames of reference and thus time dilation should be observed with the effects of gravity.
In the first part of the sentence he says that time dilation can be deduced from the constancy of the speed of light in accelerated frames of reference. Implicit ...[text shortened]... es his first statement in conjunction with that to get his conclusion. So it's already in his post.
What does that have to do with gravitational time dilation?
@metal-brain saidIt was how the existence of gravitational time dilation was deduced.
"time dilation can be deduced from the constancy of the speed of light"
What does that have to do with gravitational time dilation?
28 Feb 20
@metal-brain saidNot a single thing you just stated there is true.
No, it was not.
Einstein realized that time dilation caused gravity. That is what his equations are based on. You have your cause and effect backwards.
Like all physicists here, I have been to university and been told and learned the truth about this, which is just as I stated and no one I know of but you in the world disputes. Have you studied physics at university?
28 Feb 20
@humy saidYou also fell for the myth that GPS needs GR equations to function properly. You thought you learned the truth about that too. You were wrong. Sonhouse was wrong.
Not a single thing you just stated there is true.
Like all physicists here, I have been to university and been told and learned the truth about this, which is just as I stated and no one I know of but you in the world disputes. Have you studied physics at university?
You are still wrong. You don't know what the truth is.