09 Aug 17
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Originally posted by @paul-a-robertsElectric cars are coming. Sooner or later there are no fossil car left, they will all be electric.
Hi all,
Not sure if this is too low-brow for this forum, but I was just wondering if anyone is using an electric car currently and if so, how are they coping with the range issues etc?
Are there other faults or issues that they are finding with them?
Thanks
Paul
The problem is not about electric car technology. It's about infrastructure and that has to do with political decisions.
Study the Norway example where the transformation of a fossil fleet to a electric car fleet is rapid. All due to politicians who know their job. Iceland is also coming country in this aspect.
https://electrek.co/2017/07/04/electric-car-norway-tesla-model-x/ : "Electric cars reach record 42% of Norway’s total new car sales..."
09 Aug 17
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One thing that would help make it economically easier to have all cars electric is if practical MgS (magnesium-sulfur) batteries, which should have greater energy density than lithium-ion batteries, are developed to replace Li (lithium) batteries. This is because magnesium and sulfur are much cheaper and more readily available than the much rarer lithium.
Practical MgS batteries should also be much cheaper than Li batteries for all applications and most notably for the application of off-the-grid energy storage which would help counter the intermittentness of renewable power.
Given its fantastic potential, it is therefore a complete mystery to me why relatively extremely few researchers are showing interest in or researching the development of practical MgS batteries and so far only a pathetically small amount of research has been done in them and not nearly enough to have any effective breakthrough; does anyone know why?
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @humy"lack of appropriate cathode materials" according to https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14083
One thing that would help make it economically easier to have all cars electric is if practical MgS (magnesium-sulfur) batteries, which should have greater energy density than lithium-ion batteries, are developed to replace Li (lithium) batteries. This is because magnesium and sulfur are much cheaper and more readily available than the much rarer lithium.
...[text shortened]... een done in them and not nearly enough to have any effective breakthrough; does anyone know why?
09 Aug 17
Originally posted by @wildgrassI presume that is a result of lack of research.
"lack of appropriate cathode materials" according to https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14083
Originally posted by @paul-a-robertsThe problem for me is not finding a car that can hold a charge long, the problem is finding a long enough extension cord to get to work and back.
Hi all,
Not sure if this is too low-brow for this forum, but I was just wondering if anyone is using an electric car currently and if so, how are they coping with the range issues etc?
Are there other faults or issues that they are finding with them?
Thanks
Paul
11 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarThat may be the case now but ten years from now when electrics get serious some of those issues will be engineered out, like the MgS battery Humy touts.
How long will the batteries last?
Most places I've read says about 100k to 150k. As the battery gets older, the distance you can travel on a charge decreases. Seems to me that electric cars means vast numbers of worn out batteries.
11 Aug 17
Originally posted by @humyuhh, maybe the oil industry is against any other form of energy???
One thing that would help make it economically easier to have all cars electric is if practical MgS (magnesium-sulfur) batteries, which should have greater energy density than lithium-ion batteries, are developed to replace Li (lithium) batteries. This is because magnesium and sulfur are much cheaper and more readily available than the much rarer lithium.
...[text shortened]... een done in them and not nearly enough to have any effective breakthrough; does anyone know why?
17 Aug 17
Originally posted by @fabianfnasDon't get ahead of yourself. Even if all electricity became free of fossil fuel burning there is the possibility that hydrogen could be produced directly from solar or other renewable sources.
Electric cars are coming. Sooner or later there are no fossil car left, they will all be electric.
The problem is not about electric car technology. It's about infrastructure and that has to do with political decisions.
Study the Norway example where the transformation of a fossil fleet to a electric car fleet is rapid. All due to politicians who k ...[text shortened]... -car-norway-tesla-model-x/ : "Electric cars reach record 42% of Norway’s total new car sales..."
Batteries are expensive and in some cases dangerous. I am hopeful that will change some day but that is difficult to be sure of.
17 Aug 17
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I think countries that lack the natural resouces want to push for electric cars. For them fuel is a drain on the economy.
Electric cars would increase the demand for the electricity they can prodice,even if it means nuclear power plants. It's good for the economy.
21 Aug 17
Originally posted by @eladarI bought a new Honda Civic Hybrid in 2003, which cost $4000 more than a non-hybrid model. I have replaced the battery twice in 230,000 miles, at a cost of $3000 each time. Not only does that wipe out all the money saved on gas, the second and third batteries were the exact same models as the original. No improved technology in 14 years. Add in the dirty little secret that producing the batteries also consumes fossil fuels, and you have to doubt the real value of hybrid or electric vehicles. The car still runs like a top, though, gets 48 mpg, and I've never had a problem with the hybrid system.
How long will the batteries last?
Most places I've read says about 100k to 150k. As the battery gets older, the distance you can travel on a charge decreases. Seems to me that electric cars means vast numbers of worn out batteries.