22 May 08
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnMan, there is like no competition out there for my job. I'm going to be a science teacher in the fall. I'll be able to write my own paycheck.
A sad indication of just how long our science education has been derailed.
The science teacher I'm working under is an Econ major with a Bio minor. She keeps telling the students "now, evolution is just what the scientists think happened, you can believe what you want, even I have my doubts."
22 May 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat level is that at?
Man, there is like no competition out there for my job. I'm going to be a science teacher in the fall. I'll be able to write my own paycheck.
The science teacher I'm working under is an Econ major with a Bio minor. She keeps telling the students "now, evolution is just what the scientists think happened, you can believe what you want, even I have my doubts."
You should try saying some think like "now, the earth revolving around the sun is just what the scientists think, you can believe what you want..." just to see if she agrees with it too.
22 May 08
Originally posted by sonhouseHardly surprising that 40% of Americans do not believe in our evolutionary origins then if the problem is that wide spread in the schools (another NS report from a few weeks back, although Turkey was higher at 50đ”.
Look at this statistic:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13930-16-of-us-science-teachers-are-creationists.html
Very scary stuff indeed when schools can get away with teaching lies, it should not be allowed to happen in ANY subject. The future of our species depends upon our knowledge, ingenuity and progress. None of this can happen with lies and bad teaching.
22 May 08
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungDo you know why people don't want the job? I thought it was due to low salaries but your paycheck comment makes me think otherwise.
Man, there is like no competition out there for my job. I'm going to be a science teacher in the fall. I'll be able to write my own paycheck.
In Zambia, its a money issue. If you have the skills to be a good science teacher then you can make more doing something else. The same applies to most subjects. I was lucky that I went to a Catholic run school where most of the teachers were not there for the money (those that were there for the money were lousy teachers).
'Those that can do, those that can't teach.'
22 May 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadBut if there were no teachers, the ones that 'can, do' will only last one generation and then what?
Do you know why people don't want the job? I thought it was due to low salaries but your paycheck comment makes me think otherwise.
In Zambia, its a money issue. If you have the skills to be a good science teacher then you can make more doing something else. The same applies to most subjects. I was lucky that I went to a Catholic run school where most of ...[text shortened]... were there for the money were lousy teachers).
'Those that can do, those that can't teach.'
Those asholes who try to derail real science in a classroom should be
arrested and tried for treason or something.
I had to deal with one such when I was in the 8th grade, a very small parochial school, lutheran, and the teacher was also the principle, George T Schlicting. I won't forget that dude. He would try to put down science every chance he got. Here was one of his barbs:
Scientists say heat rises. Ok, then how come water freezes on top first? With no further explanation, attempting to leave you with the idea that scientists are fools. I knew something was wrong and actually got the implication, even at the age of 12. They didn't even bring up evolution, it must have been banned from being taught at all. We had to read the catechism every day, learn all the lutheran doctrine and herr shlicting hated me because we were poor. He was a terrible man and an even worse teacher. He finally got kicked out or probably upstairs when he said something like, you little shytes, you better get to work or something like that, we told our parents and there was a big tadoo about it and we got a very nice young man to take his place. Shlicting also beat me in class with a three foot pointer. Nice guy. We SO hated to see him go.....
22 May 08
Originally posted by sonhouseThere have been a number of challenges taken up by teachers claiming they have a free speech right to teach creationism in their classroom. Fortunately the courts have acknowledged that they aren't in class to express their views, but to teach a well founded curriculum.
But if there were no teachers, the ones that 'can, do' will only last one generation and then what?
Those asholes who try to derail real science in a classroom should be
arrested and tried for treason or something.
I had to deal with one such when I was in the 8th grade, a very small parochial school, lutheran, and the teacher was also the principle, Geo ...[text shortened]... ng also beat me in class with a three foot pointer. Nice guy. We SO hated to see him go.....
We need to make sure that science is being taught in the classroom properly and then science teachers will get in who actually know science. It's almost a chicken & egg problem even. We can't get good science teachers without teaching good science.
One thing that will help is for parents to be involved in these things and elect school boards who are science-conscious.
22 May 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadMaybe in your field. In mine however 'those that can do' work at research universities and are forced to teach, while 'those that can't' work for the private sector or the gov't and do trivial analysis that people around them think is hard. Of course this isn't true for everybody. Some capable people just don't want to do research*. Overall though, the bar is set much higher for those wanting to work in research (and thus teaching).
'Those that can do, those that can't teach.'
I think the saying, "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach," was invented by a lazy student of unexceptional intelligence looking for some one other than himself to blame for his failures.
An interesting side note, quite a few brilliant research economists can't teach worth a darn.
* - There are also a few quality research institutions where there is no teaching requirement, though they are usually forced to do some other mundane business for part of their time.
22 May 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThat's not like you DSR, you normally provide us with a link to credible research for your opposing point of view.
Agreed -- we shouldn't be content until the other 84 percent of U.S. science teachers quit teaching the false dogma of Darwinism.
Not that I'm sure what your point of view is yet.
Do you disagree with the theory of evolution, or just taking it dogmatically?
22 May 08
Originally posted by aging blitzerHe's not talking about the theory of evolution but Darwinism. Sure sounds sinister to me. I hear those Darwinists drape themselves in animal hides and brandish the jawbones of apes.
Do you disagree with the theory of evolution, or just taking it dogmatically?
22 May 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWhat type though?
He's not talking about the theory of evolution but Darwinism.
This one?
"Creationists use the term Darwinism, often pejoratively, to imply that the theory has been held as true only by Darwin and a core group of his followers, whom they cast as dogmatic and inflexible in their belief."
22 May 08
Originally posted by aging blitzerThat's right. Those creeping Darwinists. They'll sandbag you in an alley and turn you into Piltdown Man, just to prop up their bankrupt, dogmatic, inflexible beliefs.
"Creationists use the term Darwinism, often pejoratively, to imply that the theory has been held as true only by Darwin and a core group of his followers, whom they cast as dogmatic and inflexible in their belief."