Science Forum

Science Forum

  1. Standard memberbunnyknight
    bunny knight
    planet Earth
    Joined
    12 Dec '13
    Moves
    2630
    04 Dec '19 06:58
    @wildgrass said

    So you're agreeing with me that conspiracy theories cannot be true?
    Oh gosh, no! Conspiracy theories can absolutely be true. To imply that they are all untrue is nothing more than cheap propaganda tactic used by conspirators. It's like me saying "Anyone questioning my conclusion is wrong and a nutcase."
  2. Joined
    07 Dec '05
    Moves
    14850
    04 Dec '19 07:59
    @wildgrass said
    Careful mixing terminology. "Conspiracy theory" cannot be used interchangeably with "theory". They are very different things. By comparison, a theory can be viewed as a well-justified rational explanation of observable data, while a conspiracy theory is an unlikely suspicion that replaces the most obvious explanation.

    So you're agreeing with me that conspiracy theories cannot be true?
    Many conspiracy facts start out as theories. Do you think Iran/Contra was always accepted as fact? Conspirators deny facts to avoid penalties. Do you think Oliver North was eager to admit he sold heroin and cocaine to raise money for arms dealing during the height of the war on drugs?
  3. Joined
    20 Oct '06
    Moves
    8179
    04 Dec '19 15:501 edit
    @bunnyknight said
    Oh gosh, no! Conspiracy theories can absolutely be true. To imply that they are all untrue is nothing more than cheap propaganda tactic used by conspirators. It's like me saying "Anyone questioning my conclusion is wrong and a nutcase."
    I think you had written that true conspiracy theories are only known to be true by the conspirators, who would obviously not call their own acts a conspiracy theory. From the perspective of a non-conspirator, that would mean all conspiracy theories are false or unknowable.

    I'm having trouble finding an example of a legitimate conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. Watergate certainly was a conspiracy, but it was outed by investigative journalism rather than illogical conjecture. It was never considered a conspiracy theory because the evidence was overwhelming. Maybe the one where the federal government was poisoning alcohol with benzene during prohibition? Even that one, it was openly discussed in 1926 and I don't think it was ever denied by the gov't once the bodies started piling up.

    If your conclusion is based on firm evidence and logical reasoning, there's no need to call it a conspiracy theory.
  4. Standard memberbunnyknight
    bunny knight
    planet Earth
    Joined
    12 Dec '13
    Moves
    2630
    04 Dec '19 17:461 edit
    @wildgrass said
    I think you had written that true conspiracy theories are only known to be true by the conspirators, who would obviously not call their own acts a conspiracy theory. From the perspective of a non-conspirator, that would mean all conspiracy theories are false or unknowable.

    I'm having trouble finding an example of a legitimate conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. ...[text shortened]... ion is based on firm evidence and logical reasoning, there's no need to call it a conspiracy theory.
    "conspiracy theory" is just a phrase that's being overused and abused, so no need to over-analyze it. It basically means a suspicion that a bunch of people committed a great deception or crime, and have covered it up or blamed it on someone else. This sort of thing happens all the time, especially in a society with insanely horrific wealth inequality.
  5. Joined
    07 Dec '05
    Moves
    14850
    05 Dec '19 02:28
    Many people who balk at conspiracy theories believe in conspiracy theories. Most democrats believe in a conspiracy that Trump is a puppet of Putin. Does Bill Maher think of himself as a conspiracy theorist? I doubt it.

    Most people think Epstein did not kill himself. I think it is 6 out of 7 people that believe the conspiracy theory. Most people believe conspiracy theories. Any people who tell you different are the real nutcases.
  6. Subscribersonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    slatington, pa, usa
    Joined
    28 Dec '04
    Moves
    52874
    18 Dec '19 17:16
    @Metal-Brain
    So the fact EVERYTHING Trump does helps Putin means NOTHING? Working for years to end the sanctions put in place against Russia because they took over Crimea, holding back military aid to Ukraine in the middle of an active war, while CYA with the bullshyte story he was trying to stop corruption? Trying to get Russia back into the G7, to be the G8 again when it was the attack on Ukraine that got them dumped out in the first place?
    Whose side are you on anyway? It doesn't sound like you care much for the national security of the US.
    Trump talks on unsecured cell phones CERTAINLY listening to by Russia, China, Iran and you think NO BIG DEAL? Where in the HELL is you head? Are the Trump base now in the midst of losing 50 IQ points? Are you fukking HYPNOTIZED?
  7. Joined
    07 Dec '05
    Moves
    14850
    18 Dec '19 17:24
    @sonhouse said
    @Metal-Brain
    So the fact EVERYTHING Trump does helps Putin means NOTHING? Working for years to end the sanctions put in place against Russia because they took over Crimea, holding back military aid to Ukraine in the middle of an active war, while CYA with the bullshyte story he was trying to stop corruption? Trying to get Russia back into the G7, to be the G8 again when it ...[text shortened]... is you head? Are the Trump base now in the midst of losing 50 IQ points? Are you fukking HYPNOTIZED?
    Why do you believe that conspiracy theory? There is no evidence Trump helped Putin. There is plenty of evidence Trump may have been trying to stop corruption. Shokin is willing to come to the US and testify. Shokin made a sworn statement subjecting him to perjury if he is found to have lied.

    Where is the missing 1.8 billion dollars? Shokin was fired and it is still missing.

    YouTube&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3niq6pRkGE9OfCo-yDTEOp_EPpqFAq3olWLrDn0hfNuyNa04RbR8aEFsE
  8. Subscribersonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    slatington, pa, usa
    Joined
    28 Dec '04
    Moves
    52874
    18 Dec '19 17:43
    @Metal-Brain

    What the FUK? Where is the missing FOUR BILLION TRUMP STOLE FROM THE MILITARY BUDGET? You just SAY Trump doesn't help Putin but you are just blowing smoke out your ass.
    OF COURSE Trump is helping Putin, Putin HAS something on Trump and you are too dense to see that.
    If he is not helping Putin, what is he doing trying to end the sanctions put in place because the Russians FUKKING TOOK OVER CRIMEA?
    Why is Trump trying to get Russia back in the G7? Do you seriously think that is somehow going to help the USA?
    No, it will legitimize Russia and be saying to them, hey, no big deal, we realize you wanted Crimea and the Ukraine as well and want your former Soviet Union back, don't worry, we will help you, well I, Donald Trump will help you do ALL of that.
    Are you so hypnotized you can't see ANY of that?
    Trump is pushing the conspiracy theory it was Ukraine started the attack on our democracy in 2016 when we know for a FACT it was Russia.
    THAT HELPS RUSSIA. And Barr as we speak is trying his damndest to delegitimize the report that led to that conclusion. ALSO HELPING RUSSIA.
    Where in the HELL is your head in all this? Totally blind eye to ALL of this shyte?
  9. Joined
    18 Jan '07
    Moves
    8079
    18 Dec '19 18:14
    @sonhouse said
    @Metal-Brain

    What the FUK? Where is the missing FOUR BILLION TRUMP STOLE FROM THE MILITARY BUDGET?
    Stop shouting, you little child. You are occasionally quite right, yet you drown your own arguments in capitals and "FUK"s.
  10. Subscribersonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    slatington, pa, usa
    Joined
    28 Dec '04
    Moves
    52874
    18 Dec '19 18:26
    @Shallow-Blue
    Fine, then tell Metal brain what is going on, maybe he listens to you., Me, I get my Irish up and lose it.
  11. Joined
    18 Jan '07
    Moves
    8079
    18 Dec '19 18:38
    @sonhouse said
    @Shallow-Blue
    Fine, then tell Metal brain what is going on, maybe he listens to you., Me, I get my Irish up and lose it.
    Well, don't. It doesn't make you any more convincing.

    As far as the sludge brains of this worlds are concerned, don't bother. They can't be convinced anyway, any more than an atheist can be convinced of there being more than atoms.
  12. Joined
    07 Dec '05
    Moves
    14850
    18 Dec '19 18:41
    @sonhouse said
    @Metal-Brain

    What the FUK? Where is the missing FOUR BILLION TRUMP STOLE FROM THE MILITARY BUDGET? You just SAY Trump doesn't help Putin but you are just blowing smoke out your ass.
    OF COURSE Trump is helping Putin, Putin HAS something on Trump and you are too dense to see that.
    If he is not helping Putin, what is he doing trying to end the sanctions put in place becaus ...[text shortened]... ELPING RUSSIA.
    Where in the HELL is your head in all this? Totally blind eye to ALL of this shyte?
    What is your source of information for all those claims? What missing 4 billion? Has Trump ended any sanctions he imposed on Russia? I have never heard of any of those conspiracy theories.

    Have you considered the possibility you were misinformed?
  13. Subscribersonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    slatington, pa, usa
    Joined
    28 Dec '04
    Moves
    52874
    18 Dec '19 19:29
    @Metal-Brain
    Have YOU considered you have been living under a ROCK? You didn't know Trump STOLE near 4 BILLION from the military budget SPECIFICALLY to build his stupid wall? Let's start with that.
  14. Joined
    07 Dec '05
    Moves
    14850
    21 Dec '19 12:321 edit
    @sonhouse said
    @Metal-Brain
    Have YOU considered you have been living under a ROCK? You didn't know Trump STOLE near 4 BILLION from the military budget SPECIFICALLY to build his stupid wall? Let's start with that.
    What is your source of information for all those claims? What missing 4 billion? Has Trump ended any sanctions he imposed on Russia? I have never heard of any of those conspiracy theories.

    https://www.livescience.com/1956-study-gossip-trumps-truth.html
  15. Subscribersonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    slatington, pa, usa
    Joined
    28 Dec '04
    Moves
    52874
    21 Dec '19 14:551 edit
    @Metal-Brain
    https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/757463817/these-are-the-11-border-projects-getting-funds-intended-for-military-constructio

    Trump fully believes Ukraine was the one hacking the DNC in 16.
    One of his top aides said it was because 'Putin told me'. He cannot accept Russia as attacking the DNC because that would tend to cast doubt on his election and that he cannot stand so ANY other country but Russia attacked our democracy.
Back to Top