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    24 Mar '14 19:33
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    The law of biogenesis in fact prohibits the divine creation. Because every cell has its origin in another cell, meaning that there were no first cell, ever.

    But this our friend RJHinds cannot comprehend.
    Your logic is clearly flawed.
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    25 Mar '14 07:25
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Your logic is clearly flawed.
    But you don't know why. Because you have not understood the "law of biogenesis".

    Learn first.
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    25 Mar '14 09:161 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    But you don't know why. Because you have not understood the "law of biogenesis".

    Learn first.
    Biogenesis is the production of new living organisms or organelles. The law of biogenesis, attributed to Louis Pasteur, is the observation that living things come only from other living things, by reproduction (e.g. a spider lays eggs, which develop into spiders). That is, life does not arise from non-living material, which was the position held by spontaneous generation. This is summarized in the phrase Omne vivum ex vivo, Latin for "all life [is] from life."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis

    The first life forms on Earth came from the life of God.
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    25 Mar '14 09:171 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Biogenesis is the production of new living organisms or organelles. The law of biogenesis, attributed to Louis Pasteur, is the observation that living things come only from other living things, by reproduction (e.g. a spider lays eggs, which develop into spiders). That is, life does not arise from non-living material, which was the position held by spontaneo ...[text shortened]... e vivum ex vivo, Latin for "all life [is] from life."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis
    Good boy! You found the wikipedia article! Good boy!

    Now, did you understand it?
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    25 Mar '14 09:30
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Good boy! You found the wikipedia article! Good boy!

    Now, did you understand it?
    Yes, it means God did it.
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    25 Mar '14 09:322 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes, it means God did it.
    God-did-it! 😀
    Yes, we've heard that one before...
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    25 Mar '14 10:24
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    God-did-it! 😀
    Yes, we've heard that one before...
    Outside of the "Goddidit" thing, there really is no way to disprove biogenesis at this point in time, since there are theories our life came from a meteorite originating on Mars and life started there a lot earlier than life on Earth and if that were the case we could find life started on Mars because of a cloud of life forms flying through the galaxy which also came from other planets.

    It could be the case but of course I am fully aware of this being total supposition and speculations.

    The case for life origins is still very much up in the air, could go either way from life coming from life outside the solar system to the stuff of prebiotics coming from comets and asteroids and so forth or even just the energy and time available, literally a billion years in the development of early Earth, all that stuff coming from Earth itself with no input needed from Mars or any kind of Linus Pauling cloud of life stuff.

    At this point in time we cannot A Priori disprove the "Goddidit" concept either so RJ is safe to rant for now.

    Ten years from now, 20 years from now, that may not be the case....
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    25 Mar '14 10:37
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Outside of the "Goddidit" thing, there really is no way to disprove biogenesis at this point in time, since there are theories our life came from a meteorite originating on Mars and life started there a lot earlier than life on Earth and if that were the case we could find life started on Mars because of a cloud of life forms flying through the galaxy which ...[text shortened]... is safe to rant for now.

    Ten years from now, 20 years from now, that may not be the case....
    Maybe in ten years you will know the truth and the truth will set you free from evolution.
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    25 Mar '14 12:13
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Maybe in ten years you will know the truth and the truth will set you free from evolution.
    Or alternatively, creationism will be proven 100% false and life arose from rocks.
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    26 Mar '14 01:29
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Or alternatively, creationism will be proven 100% false and life arose from rocks.
    That's stupid.
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    26 Mar '14 10:20
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    That's stupid.
    It makes a LOT more sense then the nonsense spouted in your bible.
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    26 Mar '14 20:44
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    It makes a LOT more sense then the nonsense spouted in your bible.
    I think you must be referring to miracles. Miracles are not supposed to make sense to us.
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    27 Mar '14 10:31
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I think you must be referring to miracles. Miracles are not supposed to make sense to us.
    What you think is wrong. I am talking about the core falsehoods, the myth of the world wide flood, the very idea a god would kill all its land creations to get at a few hundred wayward humans is so abhorrent I can't imagine why people would fall for such an obvious ploy.

    Oh yeah, then there is the 7 day creation tale, not even new to christianity but plagiarized from Egyptian mythology thousands of years older and just as fake a story then as it is now.

    It makes PERFECT sense to me, that is, the whole thing is 100% made up by men to control other men, build a political powerhouse and put down women. That is the sum of it, that is the result built up over 2 thousand years.
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    27 Mar '14 21:24
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What you think is wrong. I am talking about the core falsehoods, the myth of the world wide flood, the very idea a god would kill all its land creations to get at a few hundred wayward humans is so abhorrent I can't imagine why people would fall for such an obvious ploy.

    Oh yeah, then there is the 7 day creation tale, not even new to christianity but pl ...[text shortened]... se and put down women. That is the sum of it, that is the result built up over 2 thousand years.
    There is evidence of the possibility of worldwide flood. The following are a few examples:

    There is a worldwide tradition among natives of a global flood.

    An analysis of population growth statistics confirms that there was near zero population at the estimated time of the end of the flood.

    Human palaeontological evidence exists even in the earliest geologic 'ages' (eg human footprints in Cambrian, Carboniferous, and Cretaceous rocks).

    The glacial period started very quickly. This would require a cataclysmic event such as a global flood to trigger such a rapid climatic change.

    Studies show that much of the world's folded beds of sediment, even sediment thousands of meters thick, have no compression fractures, indicating that they were contorted while they were still wet and soft.

    There is an absence of physical evidence that indicates a time change between rocks of 'successive ages'. Sedimentary rock layers worldwide appear to have been laid down very quickly, as by a global flood.

    Globally, there is an almost complete absence of any evidence of animal and plant root activity within the tiny layers of sediment. Slowly deposited layers should show this activity, flood deposits wouldn't.

    All types of rocks (eg limestone, shale, granite, etc) occur in all geologic 'ages'. This indicates a common formation on a global scale - the situation that would have been created by the mixing of sediment in a global flood.

    The burial of fossil deposits worldwide had to have occurred in a catastrophic event like a worldwide flood.

    Marine fossils can be found on the crests of mountains. Apart from mountain uplifting, this can also be explained as the marine animals being washed there and then buried. A global flood could do this.

    There is a worldwide distribution of most of the fossil types, indicating transportation on a global scale by a global flood.

    Worldwide, fossils from different 'ages' are often found in the wrong order. This indicates a global mixing of fossils as a consequence of a global flood.

    Dinosaurs and many other prehistoric creatures died out suddenly. A catastrophe such as a global flood could have produced this result.

    Polystrate fossils that are found worldwide indicate turbulent or rapid deposition. A global flood would be required to do this worldwide.

    Polystrate fossils also form when water-logged timber sinks in a large body of water. A year long global flood could produce worldwide polystrate fossils formed in this way.

    Raised shorelines are found worldwide indicating a time when the world had a different sea level. A consistent interpretation of this is that a global flood altered the levels of the oceans and seas.

    Mountain-high water level marks found throughout the world are consistent with the recession of a global flood.

    Hydrologic evidence points to the world's sedimentary rocks being deposited in one continuous episode. All the layers could have been laid down by a single event, such as a global flood.

    Hydrologic experiments show that flowing sediment automatically settles out in distinct layers. Therefore, sedimentary rock layers can be just as easily explained as flood debris, as slow deposition.
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    27 Mar '14 22:15
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    There is evidence of the possibility of worldwide flood. The following are a few examples:

    There is a worldwide tradition among natives of a global flood.

    An analysis of population growth statistics confirms that there was near zero population at the estimated time of the end of the flood.

    Human palaeontological evidence exists even in the earliest ...[text shortened]... re, sedimentary rock layers can be just as easily explained as flood debris, as slow deposition.
    It doesn't matter what we say, you are obtuse, won't listen to anything outside your dogma.

    Floods have effects that go way beyond sedimentation but you knew that so there is no use even talking about it.
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