26 Oct 17
Originally posted by @moonbusHas anyone seen abiogenesis?
Of course people have seen actual livers, and we extrapolate that you too have one, because that is how nature works. That is exactly why we don't have to see yours to know you have one. We know many things we do not see. We know this because we know how nature works, and laws of nature do not change.
All life forms, both simple and complex, did not ap ...[text shortened]... of a frog in well. You're missing 90%.
Let us know when you have God-detector up and running.
A simple yes or no will do.
26 Oct 17
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Originally posted by @eladarCan you be more specific? I don't know where you are coming from in all this. Are you unable to answer my question about space/time? I don't remember saying anything against Christians on this thread.
Believing it was an appropriate question at all makes you a bigot.
You have no respect for Christians and it comes across in the vile poison you spit.
26 Oct 17
Originally posted by @eladarSimple answers work only for simpletons. I will try to make this as simple as the subject allows.
Has anyone seen abiogenesis?
A simple yes or no will do.
No one has seen abiogenesis while it is happening. Does that prove it did not happen? No.
Have you seen your liver? No. Does that prove you don't have one? No.
Comparing the hypotheses available, abiogenesis vs. creation ex nihilo, there is solid evidence based on laws of chemistry how abiogenesis could have happened and a clear path forward how to test it in a lab.
There is no evidence that creation ex nihilo happened, no conceivable scenario to test it in a lab, and no explanation in terms of natural laws which would render it even probable. Given that Christian dogma got it spectacularly wrong about Galileo and Copernicus, there is every reason not to cow down to dogma on this issue either.
It took a hundred years after Einstein to detect gravitational waves. Persistence paid off.
26 Oct 17
Originally posted by @soothfastAnd we are still fond of base 12 for some reason. Hours and months. Duodecimal.
Some human societies did use base-8:
https://en.wikipedia...
Dozen. What a strange number to have its own special name that won't die. The next time you hear yourself say "dozens of times" try saying "tens of times" instead. It doesn't seem to work.
26 Oct 17
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Originally posted by @apathist60s for time reckoning, and 360 degrees in a circle, are holdovers from the Babylonians, if memory serves me.
And we are still fond of base 12 for some reason. Hours and months. Duodecimal.
Dozen. What a strange number to have its own special name that won't die. The next time you hear yourself say "dozens of times" try saying "tens of times" instead. It doesn't seem to work.
12 months in a year is based on the lunar calendar.
26 Oct 17
Originally posted by @moonbusI believe the Babylonians used a sexagesimal system in everyday life precisely because of the lunar cycle: 6 x 60 = 360.
60s for time reckoning, and 360 degrees in a circle, are holdovers from the Babylonians, if memory serves me.
12 months in a year is based on the lunar calendar.
26 Oct 17
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Originally posted by @apathistAnd then there's "1 gross = a dozen dozens."
And we are still fond of base 12 for some reason. Hours and months. Duodecimal.
Dozen. What a strange number to have its own special name that won't die. The next time you hear yourself say "dozens of times" try saying "tens of times" instead. It doesn't seem to work.
Base-12 is reputedly a little easier to do arithmetic in, since 12 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12, whereas 10 is divisible only by 1, 5, 10. Duodecimals are more often terminating compared to decimals, since there's a "twelfths place." With base-12 representations in brackets, letting T be ten and E eleven, we have
1/2 = 6/12 = [0.6]
1/3 = 4/12 = [0.4]
11/12 = 0.916666... = [0.E]
10.29861111... = [T.37]
On the other hand,
1/5 = 0.2 = [0.24972497...]
26 Oct 17
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Originally posted by @soothfastIf he answers yes then please advise him to see a very good psychiatrist.
Have you seen your god?
26 Oct 17
Originally posted by @soothfastI agree, belief in abiogenesis is on par with believing in God.
Have you seen your god?
Thanks for helping me demonstrate my point.
27 Oct 17
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Originally posted by @eladarYour faith is based on an irrational, incoherent myth left over from the Bronze Age when people believed in witches, fairies and sprites. My belief is based on reason, evidence, and laws of nature. They are not equivalent. I have faith that curiosity and persistence will pay off.
If you amswer yes to seeing abiogenesis please see a very good psychiatrist.
Isn't it great that we both have faith?
The day we see abiogenesis confirmed will be just like the days when we saw Galileo vindicated, Copernicus vindicated, Einstein vindicated, and Hawking's prediction of black holes vindicated.
The day we see abiogenesis, we'll go see the Nobel prize committee.
EDIT: Don't you realize that you can keep your faith and accept the evidence of science, too? You can accept that abiogenesis really happened, or probably happened, and still believe that God watches over every little amoeba that falls. Just as the Vatican finally grudgingly accepted that evolution really happened, and now says that God's hand guided it all along.
There is no percentage in denying evidence. It does not pay off and makes you look silly.
27 Oct 17
Originally posted by @moonbusYour need for others to conform to your belief system is disturbing.
Your faith is based on an irrational, incoherent myth left over from the Bronze Age when people believed in witches, fairies and sprites. My belief is based on reason, evidence, and laws of nature. They are not equivalent. I have faith that curiosity and persistence will pay off.
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There is no percentage in denying evidence. It does not pay off and makes you look silly.
27 Oct 17
Originally posted by @eladarYou think science is a single person thing? It is most decidedly not. It is ALWAYS a group effort. Relativity did not come about on its own, it followed the work of other geniuses. There are not enough geniuses around to singlehandedly change the world every time.
Your need for others to conform to your belief system is disturbing.