@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
You really don't get out much. The actual scientific consensus is masks are nearly as good as a vaccine. And it is just an indication of the low intelligence of humans to not heed the science.
You don't want to vax, you are stupid. It's really that simple.
to get control of Covid 19, it will take 90% + people to get vaxxed. Till then, if 85% of everyone used ...[text shortened]... ions till a viable vax arrives.
Anyone who thinks different is , A STUPID or B Republican. Or both.

"The actual scientific consensus is masks are nearly as good as a vaccine."

That is false. There is no scientific consensus saying that at all. You got that from Robert Redfield, a quack and a liar.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/23/meet-trumps-new-homophobic-public-health-quack/

https://thespectator.info/2020/09/17/quack-dr-robert-redfield-now-says-facemasks-are-more-effective-than-a-vaccine-against-coronavirus-video/

Saying there is a scientific consensus and proving it are two different things. Redfield lied, plain and simple.

@moonbus said
This has been discussed and refuted before. Yet you still repeat the same incomplete information. Yes, some vaccines contain minute amounts of formaldehyde in liquid form. Formaldehyde is dangerous only in larger doses and only if inhaled. Second, some vaccines contain mercury compounds, not pure mercury. Table salt contains sodium and chlorine, both poisonous, yet sodium chloride is not poisonous. Same with the mercury compounds in vaccines.

Why is formaldehyde being used at all? Wouldn't you rather have a vaccine without a known poison and carcinogen in it? You act as if no alternative exists.
Mercury compounds are not safe like salt. Your comparison is silly.
Why are mouse brains and monkey kidneys used to make some vaccines? Why are aborted fetal cell lines used to make vaccines?

@metal-brain said
Why is formaldehyde being used at all?

We have already explained that with a link and answered all your questions with links.
You convince nobody here by pretending we haven't by repeatedly asking the same questions over and over again as if we haven't already answered.

Mercury compounds are not safe like salt. Your comparison is silly.

No, Moonbus's comparison isn't 'silly' and it is only you who is being silly.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1258/000456306777695654
"The solubility of Hg2Cl2 is very near to the solubility of HgO and in spite of its earlier widespread use, there is no report on acute toxicity. "
https://oneclass.com/homework-help/chemistry/265602-calomel-hg2cl2-is-not-toxicbu.en.html
" Calomel (Hg2Cl2) is not toxic "

So at least one Mercury compound has very low toxicity while others have very high toxicity; Moonbus correct.

Why are mouse brains and monkey kidneys used to make some vaccines? Why are aborted fetal cell lines used to make vaccines?

If either is true for a vaccine; Please give us YOUR opinion on why so we can understand what your point is, because, at the current moment, we don't.

@humy said
We have already explained that with a link and answered all your questions with links.
You convince nobody here by pretending we haven't by repeatedly asking the same questions over and over again as if we haven't already answered.

Mercury compounds are not safe like salt. Your comparison is silly.

No, Moonbus's comparison isn't 'silly' and it is only you wh ...[text shortened]... UR opinion on why so we can understand what your point is, because, at the current moment, we don't.

"So at least one Mercury compound has very low toxicity while others have very high toxicity"

So it still has toxicity unlike salt.
End of discussion.

@metal-brain said
"So at least one Mercury compound has very low toxicity while others have very high toxicity"

So it still has toxicity unlike salt.

How do you know this? In what way "unlike" salt?
And how does this change the fact that there can be tiny amounts of some very-low toxicity mercury compound in some vaccines and known not to make them dangerous?
You make no point.

https://www.who.int/news/item/12-11-2015-measles-vaccination-has-saved-an-estimated-17-1-million-lives-since-2000
"...Measles vaccination has saved an estimated 17.1 million lives since 2000..."
-and this is DESPITE morons like you scaring many away from taking vaccines thus causing millions of extra preventable deaths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/
"...
Vaccines are rigorously tested and monitored and are among the safest medical products we use. Millions of vaccinations are given to children and adults in the United States each year. Serious adverse reactions are rare. However, because of the high volume of use, coincidental adverse events including deaths, that are temporally associated with vaccination, do occur. When death occurs shortly following vaccination, loved ones and others might naturally question whether it was related to vaccination. A large body of evidence supports the safety of vaccines, and multiple studies and scientific reviews have found no association between vaccination and deaths except in rare cases. ..."

So, yes, there are some RARE but ONLY RARE cases of vaccines causing deaths and nobody here denies that fact. But the numbers of deaths from vaccines is NOTHING LIKE compared to the MILLIONS of lives SAVED by vaccines.
Thus it is obvious to any non-moron that knows this that taking vaccines is much more likely to save you than kill you and thus people in generally should take them.

@humy said
How do you know this? In what way "unlike" salt?
And how does this change the fact that there can be tiny amounts of some very-low toxicity mercury compound in some vaccines and known not to make them dangerous?
You make no point.

https://www.who.int/news/item/12-11-2015-measles-vaccination-has-saved-an-estimated-17-1-million-lives-since-2000
"...Measles vaccination has sa ...[text shortened]... accines is much more likely to save you than kill you and thus people in generally should take them.

With the exception of the flu vaccine thimerosal has been removed from vaccines. If it is safe why was it removed?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/thimerosal.htm

If the harm caused by vaccines is so rare why do vaccine makers need immunity from lawsuits?

@humy said
We have already explained that with a link and answered all your questions with links.
You convince nobody here by pretending we haven't by repeatedly asking the same questions over and over again as if we haven't already answered.

Mercury compounds are not safe like salt. Your comparison is silly.

No, Moonbus's comparison isn't 'silly' and it is only you wh ...[text shortened]... UR opinion on why so we can understand what your point is, because, at the current moment, we don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients

@metal-brain said
With the exception of the flu vaccine thimerosal has been removed from vaccines. If it is safe why was it removed?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/thimerosal.htm

Your link doesn't claim it was removed and in fact says;

"Thimerosal use in vaccines and other medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines."

so you have just scored an own-goal.

That same link also says

"Most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of flu shot and the nasal spray flu vaccine do not contain a preservative because they are intended to be used once."

which means in those ones it was never put in them in the first place thus, again, was never removed. To remove something from something the thing to be removed has to be in that something.

@humy said
Your link doesn't claim it was removed and in fact says;

"Thimerosal use in vaccines and other medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines."

so you have just scored an own-goal.

That same link also says

"Most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of flu shot an ...[text shortened]... ver removed. To remove something from something the thing to be removed has to be in that something.

Thimerosal used to be in vaccines. Thimerosal was phased out of vaccines. They are only used in multi dose vials of the flu vaccine today. If it is safe why was it phased out?

Answer the question.

@metal-brain said
Thimerosal used to be in vaccines. Thimerosal was phased out of vaccines. They are only used in multi dose vials of the flu vaccine today. If it is safe why was it phased out?

Answer the question.

You didn't read the post above yours? If it's a preservative, and the vaccine doesn't need a preservative because of a change in packaging, it's become unnecessary, so why would you put it in? It's needed in multiple-use so they do put it in.

@metal-brain said
Thimerosal used to be in vaccines. Thimerosal was phased out of vaccines. They are only used in multi dose vials of the flu vaccine today. If it is safe why was it phased out?

Answer the question.

I have already answered the question.
See above Kewpie's post.

@kewpie said
You didn't read the post above yours? If it's a preservative, and the vaccine doesn't need a preservative because of a change in packaging, it's become unnecessary, so why would you put it in? It's needed in multiple-use so they do put it in.

I am well aware that it is a preservative. Why did they phase out Thimerosol if it is harmless? He did not answer my question. Neither did you.

@humy said
I have already answered the question.
See above Kewpie's post.

No, you did not.

Thimerosal used to be in vaccines. Thimerosal was phased out of vaccines. They are only used in multi dose vials of the flu vaccine today. If it is safe why was it phased out?

Answer the question.

@metal-brain said
No, you did not.

your question was;

With the exception of the flu vaccine thimerosal has been removed from vaccines. If it is safe why was it removed?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/thimerosal.htm

and I immediately answered the best I possibly could with my next post which was this post;

Your link doesn't claim it was removed and in fact says;

"Thimerosal use in vaccines and other medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines."

so you have just scored an own-goal.

That same link also says

"Most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of flu shot and the nasal spray flu vaccine do not contain a preservative because they are intended to be used once."

which means in those ones it was never put in them in the first place thus, again, was never removed. To remove something from something the thing to be removed has to be in that something.

So, to now dumb it down for you, my said answer to your question "why was it removed?" is that "it wasn't". In other words the implied premise in the question is false so it cannot be correctly answered unless you can call pointing out that premise is false, like I just did, as an 'answer'.
That is the best that can be done for an 'answer' to that question in the same way that's the best that can be done for an 'answer' to the question of "if seat belts in all cars are safe why were they all removed" is "they weren't all removed".
If the question asserts a falsehood like yours above then the closest thing to the correct 'answer' to the question that can be given is just point out the assertion implied in the question that is false is indeed false.
No doubt you may now consider pointlessly argue the toss over the semantics of what is meant by an 'answer' but, whether you do that, you will still continually fail to fool anyone here.

@humy said
your question was;

With the exception of the flu vaccine thimerosal has been removed from vaccines. If it is safe why was it removed?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/thimerosal.htm

and I immediately answered with my next post which was this post;
[quote] Your link doesn't claim it was removed and in fact says;

"Thimerosal use in vaccines and other medic ...[text shortened]... oss over the semantics of what is meant by an 'answer' but you will still fail to fool anybody here.

So because my link does not mention the fact Thimerosol used to be in vaccines it cannot be a fact? LOL!

Are you pretending to be stupid? I suppose RFK jr. went on a crusade to get mercury out of vaccines because he imagined it. LOL!

I don't understand you. Rather than admit you are wrong you would rather have everyone who reads your posts think you are stupid? Admitting being wrong seems a lot less embarrassing than having people think you are stupid. Your choice though. LOL!

Once again, thimerosal used to be in vaccines. Thimerosal was phased out of vaccines. If it is safe why was it phased out?