Originally posted by no1marauder I consider a "no opinion" vote as a null;
But it's not though. Not voting is a null. A no opinion vote can mean exactly that, or it could mean that someone is undecided about the whole concept, but not strongly enough in either direction to vote yes or no.
The vote is 90 odd % in favour of the police, but since only one hundred and something people have voted how representative is it of the whole populace?
Does the fact that only one hundred odd people have voted mean that they don't care less about cheating, or that they would like to see the police, or that they don't know about the vote?
Originally posted by mrmist But it's not though. Not voting is a null. A no opinion vote can mean exactly that, or it could mean that someone is undecided about the whole concept, but not strongly enough in either direction to vote yes or no.
The vote is 90 odd % in favour of the police, but since only one hundred and something people have voted how representative is it of the whol ...[text shortened]... to see the police, or that they don't know about the vote?
Probably the later, to be honest.
Here's what Russ said on December 1 in the first post of this thread:
So, what I am proposing to do is introduce 'game moderators'. I am hoping to form a team of respected players here who can spare some time to investigate any suspicious 'over the board' activities...
I would think that those who are opposed to the site admins proposal for the "cheat police" would have an obligation to make there opposition known, not those who support the concept. 90% of those who stated a preference think it is necessary and desirable to take this step. As I said before, if we waited for the majority of subscribers to vote on ANYTHING before the site admins made improvements we'd NEVER get any of 'em: no tournaments, clans, clan leagues, etc. etc. etc. Most people on the site either are unconcerned or lazy or trust Russ to do the right thing or perhaps feel that the overwhelming nature of the vote so far is proof that sentiment runs high to lessen cheating and their vote is unnecessary. In any case, Russ asked those interested to express their sentiment and they have overwhelmingly so I think we should get on with it.
Originally posted by mrmist But it's not though. Not voting is a null. A no opinion vote can mean exactly that, or it could mean that someone is undecided about the whole concept, but not strongly enough in either direction to vote yes or no.
The vote is 90 odd % in favour of the police, but since only one hundred and something people have voted how representative is it of the whol ...[text shortened]... to see the police, or that they don't know about the vote?
Probably the later, to be honest.
We've had more than 100 votes, and the numbers have been hanging at about 82% for most of the time.
Do you really think that if EVERY user at RHP were to vote this number might somehow change to 20%? I think it is a good reflection of the actual percentage of people at RHP on a whole that would stand behind this idea.
Yes that is fair enough. I was just saying really that "no opinion" in the poll really can't mean that. After all, someone with no opinion can just not vote.
Even with the no opinions though the vote is still in favour, so yes, it should perhaps move forward now?
Originally posted by mrmist Yes that is fair enough. I was just saying really that "no opinion" in the poll really can't mean that. After all, someone with no opinion can just not vote.
Even with the no opinions though the vote is still in favour, so yes, it should perhaps move forward now?
Or they could vote for "I have no opinion" which is how the poll answer was worded. In essense, you're saying they lied or were mistaken about having "no opinion" - I say we should take 'em at their word. It is, of course, a moot point as the vote is overwhelming either way.
Originally posted by no1marauder Or they could vote for "I have no opinion" which is how the poll answer was worded. In essense, you're saying they lied or were mistaken about having "no opinion" - I say we should take 'em at their word. It is, of course, a moot point as the vote is overwhelming either way.
Probably.
I voted no opinion because I am not totally convinced one way or the other.
I did not know that the voting thing existed apart from via this thread. I doubt if ninety percent of the community even knows they can voice an opinion. Therefore most people who voted are those who participate in this debate and most of those are for the cheat police.
If you want a true opinion poll put a link on everybodies game list page.
I have not voted yes or no.
I refuse to vote yes for a scheme in which though there has been a lot of speculation as yet no firm description of how it will work has been published. This is like voting for a policy as outlined by the tabloids or voting for something in princible when in practice it is impossible, unworkable or destroys more good than the bad it is attempting to address. Like voting for ID cards in the UK without thinking it through.
I refuse to vote no because some form of system is obviously needed to address such deep passion about the issue and because something needs to be seen to be done even if in practice not a lot is actually done.
Voting I dont know is pointless and you might as well not vote.
This issue is a minefield but there is always a path through every minefield without blowing your own leg off. I would guess the next stage is to publish the scheme or the proposed scheme as fact not speculation and then see how the community take it via opinion poll systems they actually know exists.
Alternatively we could discuss the finer details forever as this is an interested thread to follow, I am sure the perfect scheme will emerge eventually with so many fine minds designing it. Design by committee has given us many great successes in the past.
I think it's going to go ahead anyway - the most important votes are the ones to come which decide who the Game Mods will be, this I hope everyone votes on and does their research well first.
sorry everyone but I do not have the time to be a cheat police. It also seems I do not have all of the engines el bruto mentioned.
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