Originally posted by nmdavidb Yet we let others run amuck...to spout hatred and attack only certain individuals?
I cannot speak on Arrakis's behalf of what he posted...because i never got to see it...but there is a weird bias here about what is accepted and what is not.
Sometimes the same thing that is accepted in one forum is deleted in another.
Sometimes a forum ban for sayin ...[text shortened]... ne else has noticed...there are probs in both camps.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Dave
Your dissafisfaction with mod system is beside the point.
About punishment: Taking into account that some persons has been banned regulary and has obvious problems to behave I think that decreasing punishment will only encourage them to continue their antisocial behavior.
Originally posted by Korch Your dissafisfaction with mod system is beside the point.
About punishment: Taking into account that some persons has been banned regulary and has obvious problems to behave I think that decreasing punishment will only encourage them to continue their antisocial behavior.
I agree with that wholeheartedly...and i was not going off on the mod system as a whole...I believe in it...I was just stating that sometimes things might be overlooked or passed by while others are more heavily scrutinized.
The mods...which I am quite good friends with a few...have a VERY tough job.
I was trying to say public nd private are two different entities.
As far as I know, when the private clan forums were set up, the forum moderators did not have anything to do with them. They were advertised to be a "private" forum so I don't believe they even have access to them except if they are a clan member. I believe the clan leader may have some capabilities to moderate their own clan forum, but the regular forum moderators do not.
After reading through this thread, I think what is happening is that when someone gets a ban in the public forum, this also initiates a ban in the clan forums for the same period of time, but the clan forum ban may not be intended. It just happens. Just call it collateral damage..... 😉
What the site admin should do about it is probably a subject for debate, or if someone feels strongly enough about it one way or another, maybe they should send feedback to site admin.
I understand why some think keeping the link between private and public bans is a good thing, but I simply disagree. Escalating the ban period in the public forums makes infinitely more sense as a punishment for violations than this collateral damage idea. If we want to inflict maximum pain, why not include PMs in the ban as well? Give the person a dunce cap as an avatar perhaps?
No, to me the punishment should fit the crime. The public and private forums are really separate and they shouldn't be entangled when it comes to bans. Doubly so when we're talking about a clan leader.
I agree with mwmiller that the private ban is likely an unintended side-effect of the public ban due to the way the forums are coded. That's why I posted this in site-ideas. To me it's more a bug than anything else and I'd like to see it corrected.
Originally posted by nmdavidb Yet we let others run amuck...to spout hatred and attack only certain individuals?
I cannot speak on Arrakis's behalf of what he posted...because i never got to see it...but there is a weird bias here about what is accepted and what is not.
Sometimes the same thing that is accepted in one forum is deleted in another.
Sometimes a forum ban for sayin ...[text shortened]... ne else has noticed...there are probs in both camps.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Dave
Its all down to one thing, the alert Moderator button.
Not happy with a post, then click the button and say why. The post is then reviewed and dealt with accordingly.
If no-one clicks the button then anything cand be said and left on the site.
After all the moderators are unable to read every post on the site.
Originally posted by Ichibanov I understand why some think keeping the link between private and public bans is a good thing, but I simply disagree. Escalating the ban period in the public forums makes infinitely more sense as a punishment for violations than this collateral damage idea. If we want to inflict maximum pain, why not include PMs in the ban as well? Give the person a dunce c ...[text shortened]... s in site-ideas. To me it's more a bug than anything else and I'd like to see it corrected.
Whether the public forum ban being extended to posting in the private forums was an intended consequence or not, to remove it now would be to lessen the punishment. That would only encourage and reward public forum misbehavior.
Originally posted by Nordlys I am not going to go into that again, just wanted to make a point. It wasn't my only ban, I got two others. They all came as a surprise, although in the two other cases I was aware that what I was doing might not be appreciated (even though I didn't expect it to be severe enough to merit a ban, and at that point I also wasn't aware that bans were given witho ou can find a porn site and an etymology site equally offensive is completely beyond me...
How easy would it have been for you not to exploit the site code by posting in closed threads in the Announcements forum?
I think that ban could also easily have been avoided, so I stand by my statement.
Re your statement saying that porn sites and etymological sites of the F word are incomparable... One deals with explaining the history of a word, 1 deals with explaining the present of that same word, with informative video presentations and diagrams. Same difference at a 13+ site, IMHO.
Originally posted by Ichibanov I agree with mwmiller that the private ban is likely an unintended side-effect of the public ban due to the way the forums are coded. That's why I posted this in site-ideas. To me it's more a bug than anything else and I'd like to see it corrected.
Would I prefer the admin to work on improving the site, maybe through spending time getting the games explorer properly released or spending time so that people who can't behave decently in public are punished a little less?
Originally posted by Ragnorak Would I prefer the admin to work on improving the site, maybe through spending time getting the games explorer properly released or spending time so that people who can't behave decently in public are punished a little less?
What do you think?
D
I just want to nominate it for *some* spot on Russ' long To-Do list. I agree there are more pressing matters that should probably take precedence. Only Russ knows where it would actually fit in based on how easily it could be addressed and what else he has to do. If he views this as an unintended "bug" and it's not an involved fix, he might do it fairly quickly. If it was meant to be this way or is a pain in the ass to fix, I expect it might be a while.
Originally posted by Ichibanov I just want to nominate it for *some* spot on Russ' long To-Do list. I agree there are more pressing matters that should probably take precedence. Only Russ knows where it would actually fit in based on how easily it could be addressed and what else he has to do. If he views this as an unintended "bug" and it's not an involved fix, he might do it fairly qu ...[text shortened]... If it was meant to be this way or is a pain in the ass to fix, I expect it might be a while.
It is in no way a bug. Losing posting rights is just that, be they private or public forums. I'd like to see Russ fix the bug where a banned user can still send private messages.
Originally posted by Phlabibit It is in no way a bug. Losing posting rights is just that, be they private or public forums. I'd like to see Russ fix the bug where a banned user can still send private messages.
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Can the forum moderators access the private clan forums and ban individuals, remove posts, etc. the same as in the public forums?
Originally posted by mwmiller Can the forum moderators access the private clan forums and ban individuals, remove posts, etc. the same as in the public forums?
No, but could a user call someone a bigoted homophobic names and not really care because they still can post in their private forums?
Yes.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Believe me, there are plenty of people that would love to 'speak their mind', get a public only ban, and not even care as long as they can still post in their private forums.
If they want to post something bigoted, they should do that in their private forum and circumnavigate the ban in the first place.
Originally posted by Phlabibit No, but could a user call someone a bigoted homophobic names and not really care because they still can post in their private forums?
Yes.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Believe me, there are plenty of people that would love to 'speak their mind', get a public only ban, and not even care as long as they can still post in their private ...[text shortened]... y should do that in their private forum and circumnavigate the ban in the first place.
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So the simple answer is no. That's all I was asking, and it confirms my understanding of the private forums. Thanks.
Differentiate between Public & Private bans
25 Mar '08 21:12
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