Originally posted by GatecrasherNo not right...if you win, you get points, if you lose you lose points.
One's ratings depend upon the ratings of one's opponents. On a site like RHP they can only ever be relative, not absolute. Who is to say that the standard of chess at RHP 2300 is not equivalent to FIDE 2600? We just don't know, becuase the pool of players at RHP is relatively small.
No, a database does not include an engine. A database is a col ...[text shortened]... different beast. It takes all that pesky decision making away and decides the matter for you.
i.e. if a 2200 player continually wins, every game, his/her rating would simply climb higher and higher...there no cap?!
And yes, Chessbase (the biggest, best and most well-known) does include an engine...
check it out: www.chessbase.com
Originally posted by KraniumChesbase comes with an engine to use AFTER a game. It is not part of the database that chessbase is.
No not right...if you win, you get points, if you lose you lose points.
i.e. if a 2200 player continually wins, every game, his/her rating would simply climb higher and higher...there no cap?!
And yes, Chessbase (the biggest, best and most well-known) does include an engine...
check it out: www.chessbase.com
The top player here at RHP will be rated 2700 eventually, but not today. You are forgeting that RHP started ratings in 2001, where other systems started them well before that.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitNo, that's completely wrong...Fritz is completely integrated into every aspect of Chessbase database.
Chesbase comes with an engine to use AFTER a game. It is not part of the database that chessbase is.
The top player here at RHP will be rated 2700 eventually, but not today. You are forgeting that RHP started ratings in 2001, where other systems started them well before that.
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Originally posted by KraniumNo, searching a database is a lot different than letting the engine FIND a best move.
No, that's completely wrong...Fritz is completely integrated into every aspect of Chessbase database.
A database lists games that have been played, the engine thinks up moves, either based on book, or if there are no games in the book that match, an engine formulates the best move from that position.
Book games are finished, and in a database.
Chess Engines make moves from any given position.
You should know this, considering your rating.
Perhaps where your confusion lies is that Chessbase does come with an engine, but does not use the engine when you are searching the database of completed games. The engine might be part of chessbase, but has nothing to do with finding book moves in the database.
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Originally posted by Kraniumkranium are you really clueless or are you deliberately trying to confuse people ðŸ˜
Gatecrasher-
If there are people here using GM level computers, as you say...where are all the GM level ratings? Aren't most of the engines rated 2700 or better? Since this is correspondence chess...shouldn't the ratings be even higher (because there is so much time to analyze)?
Perhaps there are so many engine users the results are leveling the play ...[text shortened]... 't these 'databases' (like Chessbase), inlcude Fritz and other engines? Why is that ok?
Originally posted by gumbieGumbie-
kranium are you really clueless or are you deliberately trying to confuse people ðŸ˜
If you don't agree with someone why would you insult them? I, like you, am entitled to express myself here without being 'flamed'. Can we keep it mature please?
My point is that engines are integrated into all major databases...i.e. after searching for a particular position using the engine is only a 'click' away.
Why are these allowed?
Originally posted by KraniumWhy would u search a database and then use an engine? It doesn't make sense and I'd have to agree with Gumbie.
My point is that engines are integrated into all major databases...i.e. after searching for a particular position using the engine is only a 'click' away.
There is no cap, but have a look at the rating points formula on here. Anytime, a top player beats a player like me 1800ish they get 1 point. For every 1700 player that a top player beats on here, they get 0 points.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitThere's no confusion here...using the engine is just a click away. How many database users are tempted to take that step in a complicated and difficult position?
No, searching a database is a lot different than letting the engine FIND a best move.
A database lists games that have been played, the engine thinks up moves, either based on book, or if there are no games in the book that match, an engine formulates the best move from that position.
Book games are finished, and in a database.
Chess Engines make ...[text shortened]... ht be part of chessbase, but has nothing to do with finding book moves in the database.
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Originally posted by RagnorakBecause the position is loaded and can now be analyzed with 1 click!
Why would u search a database and then use an engine? It doesn't make sense and I'd have to agree with Gumbie.
There is no cap, but have a look at the rating points formula on here. Anytime, a top player beats a player like me 1800i ...[text shortened]... layer that a top player beats on here, they get 0 points.
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Originally posted by KraniumI think a lot of players on here use this database...
Because the position is loaded and can now be analyzed with 1 click!
http://www.chesslab.com/PositionSearch.html
Personally, I have a kasparov database which looks something like this, in case u didn't know what databases looked like...
[Event "Wch U16"]
[Site "Wattignies"]
[Date "1976.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chandler, Murray G"]
[Black "Kasparov, Gary"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B22"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "1976.??.??"]
[SourceDate "1998.11.10"]
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 Nc6 5. Nf3 cxd4 6. cxd4 e6 7. a3 d6 8. Bd3
Qa5+ 9. Bd2 Qb6 10. Nc3 Nxc3 11. Bxc3 dxe5 12. dxe5 Be7 13. O-O Bd7 14. Nd2 Qc7
15. Qg4 O-O-O 16. Rfc1 Kb8 17. Qc4 Rc8 18. b4 f6 19. Nf3 Qb6 20. Qe4 f5 21. Qe1
a6 22. Rab1 g5 23. Nd2 Nd4 24. Qe3 Rxc3 25. Rxc3 f4 26. Qe1 g4 27. Ne4 Bc6 28.
Nc5 Ka7 29. a4 Bf3 30. a5 Qd8 31. Bc4 Bxc5 32. bxc5 Qh4 33. gxf3 gxf3 34. Kh1
Rg8 35. Qe4 Rg7 36. Qxd4 Qg5 37. c6+ Kb8 38. c7+ Rxc7 39. Rg1 Qh5 40. Rg8+ Rc8
41. Qd6+ Ka7 1-0
[Event "Wch U16"]
[Site "Wattignies"]
[Date "1976.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dunne, David Joseph"]
[Black "Kasparov, Gary"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B51"]
[PlyCount "114"]
[EventDate "1976.??.??"]
[SourceDate "1998.11.10"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Nd7 4. d4 Ngf6 5. Nc3 cxd4 6. Qxd4 e5 7. Qd3 h6 8.
Be3 Be7 9. O-O O-O 10. Rad1 a6 11. Bc4 Qc7 12. a4 Nc5 13. Bxc5 Qxc5 14. Nd5
Nxd5 15. Bxd5 Rb8 16. Nd2 Bd7 17. Bb3 b5 18. a5 Rbc8 19. Nf3 Be6 20. Rfe1 Rfd8
21. Re2 Rc7 22. Red2 Rdc8 23. h3 Qb4 24. Bxe6 fxe6 25. Qb3 Rc4 26. Re2 Qxb3 27.
cxb3 Rc1 28. Rxc1 Rxc1+ 29. Kh2 Kf7 30. Ne1 Bd8 31. Nd3 Rd1 32. Nb4 Bxa5 33.
Nxa6 Rc1 34. b4 Bb6 35. b3 Rc3 36. Ra2 Rxb3 37. Rc2 Bd4 38. Rc7+ Kf6 39. f3 Ra3
40. Rc6 Rc3 41. Rc7 Rxc7 42. Nxc7 Bc3 43. Nxb5 Bxb4 44. Na7 Kf7 45. Kg3 Ke8 46.
Kg4 Kd7 47. f4 g6 48. h4 Kc7 49. f5 exf5+ 50. exf5 gxf5+ 51. Kxf5 Kb7 52. Nb5
Kb6 53. Nxd6 Bxd6 54. g4 Kc6 55. g5 hxg5 56. hxg5 Kd5 57. g6 Bf8 0-1
*1000.
I load it into notepad, and search for the opening moves from that. Where does the engine come into that?
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Originally posted by RagnorakWell i checked it out...www.chesslab.com has an analysis feature built in!
I think a lot of players on here use this database...
http://www.chesslab.com/PositionSearch.html
Personally, I have a kasparov database which looks something like this, in case u didn't know what databases looked like...
[Event " ...[text shortened]... ening moves from that. Where does the engine come into that?
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i.e. after you search for your position, analyzing it is just a click away.
PS - your text above is simply 2 games in PGN notation, hardly what I would term a 'database'.
Originally posted by KraniumSo what??? Yeah, you can easily cheat if you want to; most people don't. You can get get free engines on the net or pay $50 and get Fritz8; if you use it to suggest your moves at RHP you're cheating, pure and simple. BTW, the engine in that database is pretty crappy; I've checked it out and I doubt it could play at a 1700 on RHP. So if people are tempted to cheat with that engine, they're going to be veryyyyy disappointed.
Well i checked it out...www.chesslab.com has an analysis feature built in!
i.e. after you search for your position, analyzing it is just a click away.
PS - your text above is simply 2 games in PGN notation, hardly what I would term a 'database'.
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Originally posted by KraniumThe fact is that is is one click away - you still have to make a that click. Porn on the internet is just one click away - are we all looking at that now, pulling the trigger on a gun is only one click away are all gun holders potential murders.
Well i checked it out...www.chesslab.com has an analysis feature built in!
i.e. after you search for your position, analyzing it is just a click away.
PS - your text above is simply 2 games in PGN notation, hardly what I would term a 'database'.
Databases are allowed, engines are not. If you use an engine in Chessbase it is just the same as using an engine, but just using the database is not. If chessbase was cheating why would it exist and be so used by the chess community?
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"... and we'll take severe consequences."
(George W. Bush on Sep 12)
I don't want to appear rude or so, but I wanted to dicuss here about what proper/fair consequences are for cheating, and what if engines are used in Chessbase's database. (I believe "no"😉.
Please feel free to start a new thread to discuss this and other topics. 🙂
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Originally posted by KraniumDid you not read the '*1000'? Did you expect me to post 2000 Kasparov's games here in this thread?
PS - your text above is simply 2 games in PGN notation, hardly what I would term a 'database'.
What would u term a 'database', if you don't term 2000 games in pgn format a 'database'?
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