Originally posted by @secondsonIf Jesus 'created' more wine for drunk people, then it's relevant to ask why, considering the warnings of drunkenness.
Whether there were drunk people or not is irrelevant to a sober discussion of the account of the water turned to wine.
That you think it does is evidence of an intellect steeped in unbelief bent on derailing rational discussion.
Originally posted by @secondsonMy perspective and reasons for it are relevant and on target and not "derailing" the discussion.
Whether there were drunk people or not is irrelevant to a sober discussion of the account of the water turned to wine.
That you think it does is evidence of an intellect steeped in unbelief bent on derailing rational discussion.
Originally posted by @secondsonIt's you and me who are in disagreement.
Your perspectives are the same as all other unbelievers.
Originally posted by @secondsonThe one I have been making in my previous dozen or so posts.
So? What's your point?
Originally posted by @chaney3Being drunk is not the same as abusing alcohol. I can imagine that abuse might be deemed "unacceptable" but the wedding of Cana story shoots down the claim that simply getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable".
It does beg the question of why Jesus would give more wine to people who were already likely drunk.
Originally posted by @fmfAbusing alcohol only increases the odds for 'sin' or bad behavior to happen.
Being drunk is not the same as abusing alcohol. I can imagine that abuse might be deemed "unacceptable" but the wedding of Cana story shoots down the claim that simply getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable".
Getting drunk at that wedding could have led to debauchery. It only takes one case of being drunk to change the course of your life.
Originally posted by @chaney3There is a lot of information not included in the account. I think it is inferred that the best wine was served first, and after it was consumed the poorer quality wine was served because it would go unnoticed because people were intoxicated to a degree.
The custom of the host was to initially serve good wine, presumably until the guests were intoxicated enough to not notice that cheap wine was being served.
It's highly likely that most were drunk, even though this point wasn't included in John 2.
It does beg the question of why Jesus would give more wine to people who were already likely drunk.
Some would argue ad nauseam about people getting drunk and they'd miss the most important truth, which is the best wine for last.
God is saving the best for last for His children, whereas this world, the devil and the flesh serves the best first so that once they are intoxicated they won't notice they're being fed the poison last.
Originally posted by @secondsonThe story of the wedding negates your claim that getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable". That aside, whatever other supposed "important truth" you choose to draw from it is up to you.
Some would argue ad nauseam about people getting drunk and they'd miss the most important truth, which is the best wine for last.
Originally posted by @fmfAccording to your twisted perspective which misses the entire point of the story.
Being drunk is not the same as abusing alcohol. I can imagine that abuse might be deemed "unacceptable" but the wedding of Cana story shoots down the claim that simply getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable".
My old man used to say it's impossible to stretch a gnats ass over a telephone pole, but that doesn't stop some people from trying.
Originally posted by @secondsonMy perspective is about your claim that getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable". You can discuss what your own personal perspective on what is "the entire point of the story" with Christians to your heart's content.
According to your twisted perspective which misses the entire point of the story.
Originally posted by @secondsonJesus is said to have provided them with even more booze nevertheless.
I think it is inferred that the best wine was served first, and after it was consumed the poorer quality wine was served because it would go unnoticed because people were intoxicated to a degree.