Originally posted by checkbaiter
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Indeed it is a symbolic book. Christ is not literally a four legged lamb. The symbol stands of Him as the Redeemer -
"the Lamb of God".
But
"signs" and symbols are used to portray plainer teaching which appears elsewhere in the Bible. And since we are told in plain words, for example -
" ... rest with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of His power, in flaming fire, Rendering vengence to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His strength when He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed ..." (2 Thess. 1:7b-10a) - such a matter ALSO can be conveyed symbolically.
The combination of plain teaching plus symbolic sign pointing makes is hard to not understand what God is communicating.
I admit that it takes time and skill to determine what should be taken more as symbolic and what is to be taken as more literal. It is quite easy for someone to use symbolism as an excuse to not want to see certain things.
Sure, Death being thrown into the lake of fire, appears abstract and symbolic. However, there is not enough symbolism to reduce the dreadful communication that this
lake of fire is only negative and to be kept out of at any cost.
The explicit teaching quite apart from symbolism is that
eternal destruction is the vengence of God
"upon those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ".
The symbolism therefore, if there is some in Revelation on this point, confirms the plain apostolic teaching.
If Revelation were to be understood literally then you might be correct. However, Revelation is a book of symbols.
I think the "understood literally" line of argument is something of a red herring. It should be understood at face value. The
sign or the symbol should be taken at face value.
And a lake of fire, barring the precise physics or geography of such a thing, conveys something awful. And the excuse that nothing awful should be portrayed by a loving God is not reliable. To His enemies He will be awful.
If the punishment is terminated by annhilation than annhilation is not judgment but rather an act of mercy. If annhilation is an act of mercy then the Annhilationist should not boast that it is judgment from God.
If any torment of those sent to the lake of fire is temporary, than it is -
1.) Wrong for Jesus to portray it as never ending.
2.) Making the termination by annhilation into non-existence mercy rather than judgment.
There is not enough of the "symbolism" rationale in Revelation to take away the conveyance of the awfulness of being finally judged forever by God.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Why cannot eternal punishment ALSO be made known to John by a sign?
Saying that things are made known by signs in no guarantees that nothing perfectly dreadful could not be also made known by a sign.
I could write concerning the positive interpretation for hours everyday for two weeks from Revelation. I also could defend such interpretations with plain teaching to back it up. For the Bible interprets itself.
I am quite aware of
Revelation 1:1. I cannot in a good conscience rationalize that
"they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever" is made not true because things were made known to John by signs.
Of course a modernist could go down that road to the extent that Jesus as Son of God is not at all true because things were made known by signs. Or they could argue that He was not the One who became dead and behold alive forever, because things were made known to John by signs.
You other comments I may get to latter.