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@sonship: The trinity doctrine and salvation

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Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved

So what do you reckon is soooooo important about declaring Jesus Lord?

More importantly, what does declaring Jesus Lord mean to you?



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Saying that Jesus is "Lord" is suggestive to most that this refers to the Trinity. Who else in the Bible is referred to as Lord and why is it so important regarding salvation according to Paul?

Moreover, the verse indicates what is required to have the spirit of God living in you.


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Well it seems that Paul is saying that confessing Jesus as the Lord is required to be saved, the question is why?

It is therefore understandable that those who believe Paul to be inspired by God believe that the Trinity teaching is a necessary component to salvation.

I believe that Paul was inspired by God to write this, so I think that the Trinity doctrine is a big deal. As to whom is saved and who is not, I'll leave that to God. 😉

Just out of curiosity, had you ever read that passage before? Also, now that you have read it do you still find it strange that people believe that the Trinity is an important doctrine when it comes to salvation?

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Wut?

So Paul was inspired by God and he wrote that Jesus was Lord but you still don't believe that Jesus is part of the Trinity?

Why do you think Paul insists we confess Jesus as "Lord" then?

Is not Lord a term to denote God?

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And you pretending to not know that trinitarians are also monotheistic is at least disingenuous, if not outright dishonest.

I wouldn't go so far as to advise that "believing in the Trinity" is a "requirement" for salvation. I would imagine that one could be a devout Christian without understanding and accepting the Trinity concept, but it seems unlikely, unless one was a new Christian who hasn't been exposed to it. The idea of a Triune God is pretty basic stuff.

I suppose it is also possible that this Christian could also be simply misinformed about what the Trinity means, or is stubborn, or even possibly has some stick up their bum about the deity of Christ, like the JWs.

"I am, if anything, a believer in the oneness of God. That includes the deity of Christ."

If you believe that Christ is man AND God, and you believe in ONE God, then I am willing to bet my dollars to your donuts that you believe in the Trinity. This seems obvious. If you say you don't, then the only answer must be that you have some sort of obsessive problem with the word "Trinity" itself, or that you just do not understand what the "Trinity" concept actually means.

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Why address me? Why not address the scripture I provided?

You obviously have no respect for me, but you seem to have respect for the writings of Paul.

Why not elaborate?

As Suzy pointed out, to suggest that those who do believe in the Trinity do not also believe in the oneness of God is what is dishonest.

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1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

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