A hellish responsibility

Originally posted by FMF
You mean "apart from..." what I am trying to discuss which you are steadfastly trying to dodge?

What if I told you I don't know. Would you be happy with that answer?

Originally posted by dj2becker
What if I told you I don't know. Would you be happy with that answer?

I'd prefer it - if you came out with it in a forthright way - to the dull way you are carrying on. But even the "What if I told you... Would you..." routine is dull.

Originally posted by KellyJay
People are warned that if they drive while drunk the fines are high, and you could lose
your ability to carry a drivers license. Being forward of danger and consequences are just
a part of life.

I've seen people get high fines, and lose their drivers license too. A fair warning is rational.

I've never seen anyone complaining from hell. Never will.

I've never seen a child being taken from the bogey man either. Because that is also an empty threat given for scarring people to obey the ones in power.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I've seen people get high fines, and lose their drivers license too. A fair warning is rational.

I've never seen anyone complaining from hell. Never will.

I've never seen a child being taken from the bogey man either. Because that is also an empty threat given for scarring people to obey the ones in power.

So if you believed that there was a danger so horrific, you would keep your mouth shut and your beliefs to yourself?

Originally posted by KellyJay
So if you believed that there was a danger so horrific, you would keep your mouth shut and your beliefs to yourself?

Q: Why would you believe that? A: Because your parents told you.
Q: Why would they believe that? A: Because their parents told them.
... and so on.

Same goes for the bogey man. Tooth faerie, Santa, Yeti, Trolls and Gnomes - do you believe in them too...?

I don't know anyone coming back from hell, telling us how it is down there.
Do you?
No witnesses, only a multi-thousand old book with horror stories...

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Q: Why would you believe that? A: Because your parents told you.
Q: Why would they believe that? A: Because their parents told them.
... and so on.

Same goes for the bogey man. Tooth faerie, Santa, Yeti, Trolls and Gnomes - do you believe in them too...?

I don't know anyone coming back from hell, telling us how it is down there.
Do you?
No witnesses, only a multi-thousand old book with horror stories...

My dad died outside of Christ I believe, my mom isn't a believer either, but I'm praying for
her still as she is alive still. Scripture is where my views about Hell come from. No one is
going to come back from Hell once they are thrown there, it is forever.

The thing about Hell is that it was meant for the devil and his angels not us, we have
Jesus who died for us, to save our souls. He came here for us sinners, it isn't the
righteous but sinners He came for. If there are any that do not need Jesus' sacrifice than
so be it, but I don't think you or anyone else has seen one of them among us.

Originally posted by KellyJay
My dad died outside of Christ I believe, my mom isn't a believer either, but I'm praying for
her still as she is alive still. Scripture is where my views about Hell come from. No one is
going to come back from Hell once they are thrown there, it is forever.

The thing about Hell is that it was meant for the devil and his angels not us, we have
Jesus wh ...[text shortened]... s' sacrifice than
so be it, but I don't think you or anyone else has seen one of them among us.

"Scripture is where my views about Hell come from. No one is going to come back from Hell once they are thrown there, it is forever."
And that's my point. Someone has written it in an ancient book and - bam - you believe in it.
Do you believe in Santa, Trolls, Yetis, Gnomes, Bogey man, Tooth Ferie too? Why not? Samo, samo!

"The thing about Hell is..."
...that it is created by god, according to your beliefs. He has organized it. He is populating it with personnel. And he chose people to go there and burn forever, according to your beliefs. And you believe your god is a loving, caring and a kind god? Hell, no.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
"Scripture is where my views about Hell come from. No one is going to come back from Hell once they are thrown there, it is forever."
And that's my point. Someone has written it in an ancient book and - bam - you believe in it.
Do you believe in Santa, Trolls, Yetis, Gnomes, Bogey man, Tooth Ferie too? Why not? Samo, samo!

"The thing about Hell is... ...[text shortened]... ccording to your beliefs. And you believe your god is a loving, caring and a kind god? Hell, no.

You believe things written in books?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You believe things written in books?

When they are confirmed in other books with independent sources, yes, why not. Do you have a counterexample of this?
When I read something, and there is only one only source, then I very much doubt it.

About hell - there are so many fantasies, some many extrapolations, so many makebelieves.
Why? Just to scare people to be obedient.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
When they are confirmed in other books with independent sources, yes, why not. Do you have a counterexample of this?
When I read something, and there is only one only source, then I very much doubt it.

About hell - there are so many fantasies, some many extrapolations, so many makebelieves.
Why? Just to scare people to be obedient.

Well the Bible is 66 different books, written by 40 or so people, over a period around 1500 years. I trust it when looking at the history of the world.

People make up a lot of things on a lot of topics, it is what we do!