Originally posted by KellyJayI still don't see what this has to do with parents being allowed to let their children die, by refusing a simple treatment, because of their religious beliefs.
You would get more details reading about it on the web, even BBC covered
it. At a very high level they were/are not giving people proper care.
They would delay care, having people get seen and setup Vets that needed
care right away. They were getting bonus' for making sure that everyone
was dealt within a 14 day window, so what they started doing was ...[text shortened]... t. He was all setup, but his care was
out months and he died while playing chess online.
Kelly
Originally posted by Proper KnobI think family not the state should be refusing treatment, as I pointed out
I still don't see what this has to do with parents being allowed to let their children die, by refusing a simple treatment, because of their religious beliefs.
I'll take family over everyone else making those choices. I don't like all
the choices family makes, but if there is to be someone with that power
I'll take them. Bad choices can be made by everyone, not just families.
Kelly
-Removed-You play God and don't even see it. As I pointed out to you more than once
you don't know who will and will not die with or without the treatment that
we give. You claim to know, I don't! I do know we all walk out our faith
and we do what we know to do. You it seems know how we are all supposed
to live out our lives, and are willing to condemn when others don't measure
up to your views.
People with your mind set have children taken away from parents who love
them. People like you force your views upon others without respect to how
others wish to live, you are the dangerous one.
Kelly
-Removed-I'm surprised you do not know who she is, she is another innocent on the
other side of the coin. They knew what was best so they took her away,
you should read up on her.
I don't support murder stop lying. As I pointed out to you, you don't know
who is and isn't going to die by getting or not getting any care.
People are in danger of hell fire for just calling another a fool too, it happens.
Kelly
-Removed-Do you know the name Sarah Murnaghan, her family had to force the
government to change its ways to save her life. As I pointed out to you
no matter what side of the discussion your on people can find things that
are just as nasty as the other side. I'm not going to accuse you of being
all for murder simply because you disagree with me, I can find people
who could have died or did.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWith respect to organ transplant, which is what this story relates to, there are simply not enough organs to go round. Not everyone can be saved, thus there has to be a sliding scale of who gets what and when. How this is related though to the topic we're discussing, parents having the right to let their children needlessly die, I'm not sure.
Do you know the name Sarah Murnaghan, her family had to force the
government to change its ways to save her life. As I pointed out to you
no matter what side of the discussion your on people can find things that
are just as nasty as the other side. I'm not going to accuse you of being
all for murder simply because you disagree with me, I can find people
who could have died or did.
Kelly
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Originally posted by Proper KnobIt has to do with what is needed to save a life! The parents wanted it, the
With respect to organ transplant, which is what this story relates to, there are simply not enough organs to go round. Not everyone can be saved, thus there has to be a sliding scale of who gets what and when. How this is related though to the topic we're discussing, parents having the right to let their children needlessly die, I'm not sure.
government didn't want it to happen for its own reasons. You don't see that
as the same, I cannot help you there, for me if it is care she was denied
due to their rules. The rules were changed, she got the care and she is
doing well. It didn't mean it was a sure thing, as I point out getting care or
not does not mean it will work out with a life being saved, she could have
died anyway.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAgain, what relevance does this have to what we're discussing?
It has to do with what is needed to save a life! The parents wanted it, the
government didn't want it to happen for its own reasons. You don't see that
as the same, I cannot help you there, for me if it is care she was denied
due to their rules. The rules were changed, she got the care and she is
doing well. It didn't mean it was a sure thing, as I poin ...[text shortened]...
not does not mean it will work out with a life being saved, she could have
died anyway.
Kelly
Originally posted by Proper KnobWhat is being called for was supposedly life saving treatment, my two
Again, what relevance does this have to what we're discussing?
examples went to the family not wanting what was not called for, and
the (rules=faith) of the state didn't allow for treatment the little girl
needed. As I point out if you draw a line no matter where you put it, it
is going to have some ugly things occur on your side. No one wants to
see someone die, so suggesting that some are calling for the murder
of a child is pure _____.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJaydo you agree that there needs to be a line?
What is being called for was supposedly life saving treatment, my two
examples went to the family not wanting what was not called for, and
the (rules=faith) of the state didn't allow for treatment the little girl
needed. As I point out if you draw a line no matter where you put it, it
is going to have some ugly things occur on your side. No one wants to ...[text shortened]... omeone die, so suggesting that some are calling for the murder
of a child is pure _____.
Kelly